[ogsa-wg] OGSA-EMS Meeting Agenda (2005-01-17)
Andrea Westerinen
andreaw at cisco.com
Mon Jan 24 15:09:48 CST 2005
Another item to note wrt the Job Management work is that CIM defines a job
abstraction that was enhanced by JSIM. This work could be analyzed
independent of the transport and encoding which is WSDM.
Andrea
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ogsa-wg at ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg at ggf.org] On
> Behalf Of David Snelling
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:10 PM
> To: Hiro Kishimoto
> Cc: 'Ian Foster'; 'Subramaniam, Ravi'; ali at epcc.ed.ac.uk;
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> Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] OGSA-EMS Meeting Agenda (2005-01-17)
>
> Folks,
>
> I'm with Hiro here. The first Basic EMS Candidate Profile
> should be very minimal. I would say
>
> 1) JSDL - Yes.
> 2) A New Job Submit WSDL spec - Yes
> 3) A Job Management WSDL spec - would be nice, but to
> do it right we need WSDM first.
> 4) WS-Agreement as an optional add on - I'm still not
> certain here.
>
> Remember this first EMS Candidate Profile must be an
> Informational document since (2 & 3) above don't even exist
> and (1 & 4) are not yet stable.
>
> On 16 Jan 2005, at 6:46, Hiro Kishimoto wrote:
>
> > Hi Ian, Ravi,
> >
> > I think Basic EM profile provide very simple job submission
> > functionality based on the evolving specifications (plus OGSA basic
> > profile).
> >
> > The evolving specifications, IMHO, are the WS-agreement and
> the JSDL
> > spec. The WS-agreement defines protocol and XML envelope
> and the JSDL
> > spec defines actual terms/attributes of document.
> >
> > The WS-Agreement is developed by GRAAP-WG and is now under public
> > comment review.
> >
> > https://forge.gridforum.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=461
> >
> > JSDL spec is now under developing by JSDL-WG and will be
> submit to GGF
> > editor (at latest) before GGF13.
> >
> >
> https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/jsdl-wg/document/draft-ggf-jsdl-
> > spec/en
> > /11
> >
> > Also WSDL style API for Job manager is nice to have. But
> IFAIK the API
> > discussion is at the very early stage.
> >
> > Hope it helps,
> > ----
> > Hiro Kishimoto
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ian Foster [mailto:foster at mcs.anl.gov]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:50 PM
> > To: Subramaniam, Ravi; ali at epcc.ed.ac.uk; andreas.haas at sun.com;
> > andreas.savva at jp.fujitsu.com; asm100 at doc.ic.ac.uk;
> > csmith at platform.com; D.Snelling at fle.Fujitsu.com;
> darrenp at cadence.com;
> > dejan at hpl.hp.com; flon at isi.edu; grimshaw at cs.virginia.edu;
> > hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com; hornwp at us.ibm.com; jian at xcerla.com;
> > jon.maclaren at man.ac.uk; naber at man.poznan.pl; nitzberg at pbspro.com;
> > OGSA-WG; pruyne at hpl.hp.com; Rajic, Hrabri; ramin.yahyapour at udo.edu;
> > Scott.Jackson at pnl.gov; sjn5 at doc.ic.ac.uk; Subramaniam, Ravi;
> > tkojo at mvi.biglobe.ne.jp; troney at ncsa.uiuc.edu;
> > Uwe.Schwiegelshohn at udo.edu; v.sander at fz-juelich.de;
> > Wolfgang.Ziegler at scai.fraunhofer.de
> > Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] OGSA-EMS Meeting Agenda (2005-01-17)
> >
> > Ravi:
> >
> > You've asked to pointers to relevant standards, but to first order
> > there aren't any. That does make me wonder whether it is
> even possible
> > to have a meaningful conversation about an EMS interoperability
> > profile at this time, given that a profile is supposed to
> document an
> > established use of established standards.
> >
> > I believe that the interfaces developed by the Globus team for GT4
> > GRAM are relevant to an EMS discussion, in that they represent the
> > result of an intensive effort to develop WSRF-based job management
> > interfaces.
> >
> > Documentation is at:
> > http://www-unix.globus.org/toolkit/docs/development/3.9.4/execution/
> > wsgram/
> >
> > The concepts are described here:
> > http://www-unix.globus.org/toolkit/docs/development/3.9.4/execution/
> > key/WS_GRAM_
> > Approach.html
> >
> > And some of the interfaces here:
> > http://www-unix.globus.org/toolkit/docs/development/3.9.4/execution/
> > wsgram/WS_GR
> > AM_Public_Interfaces.html
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ian.
> >
> >
> > At 11:14 PM 1/14/2005 -0800, Subramaniam, Ravi wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is the agenda for this Mondays teleconference. As
> agreed at the
> > last F2F we will be focusing on developing an EMS interoperability
> > profile. We will use the Draft Profile template (Tom, Dave) as a
> > reference (attached for you convenience). We encourage
> persons who are
> > active in relevant GGF and other standard organization WG
> and people
> > who are very familiar with relevant standards to attend
> these meetings
> > to provide the right and informed perspectives and inputs.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you would be willing to educate the rest of the
> participants on one
> > or more applicable standards that you are very familiar with please
> > let me know and I can schedule some time. These would be brief
> > overviews that would lead to more detailed discussions in
> future as we
> > narrow on the appropriate set.
> >
> > Please send me pointers to definitive documentation on any
> standards
> > that you feel should be part of the EMS profile. I will
> compile these
> > as references for those who need to delve deeper.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dial-In
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: January 17th, 2005 (Monday)
> >
> > Time: 5 7 PM (CST)
> >
> >
> >
> > The dial-in number for Monday
> >
> > Free: +1-866-639-4741
> >
> > Toll: +1-574-935-6703
> >
> > PIN: 8980700
> >
> >
> >
> > Screen share service will be provided.
> >
> > URL: http://ogsa.glance.net
> >
> > Session key: 0117
> >
> >
> >
> > See more explanation:
> >
> > http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/
> > msg00077.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Agenda:
> >
> >
> > 1. Roll Call (5 mins)
> > 2. Agenda Bashing (10 mins)
> > 3. Ratification of previous minutes (5 mins) 4. EMS profile
> discussion
> > (tentative) (90 mins) 1. Catalog applicable standards 2.
> Review known
> > standards wrt to the architecture 3. Identify initial set
> 5. Opens and
> > wrap up. (10 mins)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > Ravi
> > _______________________________________________________________
> > Ian Foster www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster
> > Math & Computer Science Div. Dept of Computer Science
> > Argonne National Laboratory The University of Chicago
> > Argonne, IL 60439, U.S.A. Chicago, IL 60637, U.S.A.
> > Tel: 630 252 4619 Fax: 630 252 1997
> > Globus Alliance, www.globus.org
> >
> >
> --
>
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>
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