[ogsa-wg] FW: Issue #1 proposed resolution

[Djaoui, A (Abdeslem)]

Well, it probably doesn't, because WSRF is now decoupled from WS-Addressing
through the definition of the "abstract" resource Access Pattern, which
defines different embodiments for different ways of accessing state.


Abdeslem
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Pickles [mailto:stephen.pickles at manchester.ac.uk] 
Sent: 21 January 2005 17:05
To: 'Djaoui, A (Abdeslem)'; 'OGSA-WG'
Subject: RE: [ogsa-wg] FW: Issue #1 proposed resolution

Doesn't this make the whole house of cards (WSRF and OGSA)
come tumbling down? 

Please tell me I'm wrong!

Stephen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ogsa-wg at ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg at ggf.org] On 
> Behalf Of Djaoui, A (Abdeslem)
> Sent: 21 January 2005 09:47
> To: 'OGSA-WG'
> Subject: [ogsa-wg] FW: Issue #1 proposed resolution
> 
> 
> Just in case you have not seen this, It appears RefProps will 
> be removed
> from EPR's. Something we should discuss.
> 
> Abdeslem
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-ws-addressing-request at w3.org
> [mailto:public-ws-addressing-request at w3.org]On Behalf Of Ugo Corda
> Sent: 20 January 2005 01:33
> To: Mark Little; Mark Baker
> Cc: public-ws-addressing at w3.org
> Subject: RE: Issue #1 proposed resolution
> 
> 
> 
> Mark and Mark,
> It looks like RefProps are gone as of yesterday: see
> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/wd-issues/#i001 .
> 
> Ugo
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: public-ws-addressing-request at w3.org 
> > [mailto:public-ws-addressing-request at w3.org] On Behalf Of 
> Mark Little
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:26 PM
> > To: Mark Baker
> > Cc: public-ws-addressing at w3.org
> > Subject: Re: Issue #1 proposed resolution
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Mark, I have a distinct dislike for RefProps/RefParams, as 
> > you're aware. However, putting my pragmatic hat on for a 
> > moment, I don't see them vanishing in this release of the 
> > specification. That doesn't prevent us from debating their 
> > utility (or lack thereof), but I suspect it would be better 
> > to take it off this mailing list if we're to try to maintain 
> > the timeline that was proposed by the submitters and agreed 
> > upon by the members of the group. Who knows, there may be a 
> > change in a subsequent release?
> > 
> > Also, I'm not sure why you moved my text around, but it could 
> > change the context of what was originally intended. I didn't 
> > mention the word "identification" at all in the proposed 
> text I said.
> > 
> > Mark.
> > 
> > ----
> > Mark Little,
> > Chief Architect,
> > Arjuna Technologies Ltd.
> > 
> > www.arjuna.com
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Baker" <distobj at acm.org>
> > To: "Mark Little" <mark.little at arjuna.com>
> > Cc: <public-ws-addressing at w3.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: Issue #1 proposed resolution
> > 
> > 
> > > Mark,
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 10:41:53PM -0000, Mark Little wrote:
> > > > I think the pragmatic view on RefProps/RefParams has to 
> > be that they
> > will
> > > > stay (rightly or wrongly, there are implementations and 
> > > > specifications
> > out
> > > > there that now rely on them).
> > >
> > > This is a new spec we're working on, no?  Those 
> implementations can 
> > > continue to depend upon whatever version of the spec they 
> currently 
> > > depend upon.  Nothing we do here can break them, AFAICT.
> > >
> > > > I agree that the term "identifier" can be
> > > > contentious. However, so can the term "state". How about just 
> > > > calling it/them "additional information that referencing 
> > > > specifications [aka
> > using
> > > > specifications] or implementations need in order to ultimately 
> > > > address
> > the
> > > > endpoint service"?
> > >
> > > >From my POV, there appears to be agreement to removing 
> the part of 
> > > >the
> > > spec that talks about using RefProps for identification.  
> > Adding "in 
> > > order to ultimately address" back in would be akin to 
> undoing that 
> > > change.  The point of the change, as I see it, is to get 
> > identifying 
> > > information out of the RefPs, and into the URI, and I 
> > consider that an 
> > > enormous improvement over the WS-A submission.
> > >
> > > > That way we're not saying *what* goes in there, only
> > > > *why*.
> > >
> > > IMO, identification is a "what".
> > >
> > > Mark.
> > > --
> > > Mark Baker.   Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA.        
> > http://www.markbaker.ca
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
>