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Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group
charter
From: David Wallom <david.wallom at ierc.ox.ac.uk>
To: Marvin Theimer <theimer at microsoft.com>,
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Hi Marvin,
>From reading most of the correspondence on this topic and from various
conversations about this with various people I was wondering if we could
actually launch a separate Data profile since tacking this onto the end
of the HPC profile could possibly prove limiting. I was wondering if the
data discussion would be a specific part of the BOF?
Regards
David
On 5/5/06 16:15, "Marvin Theimer" <theimer at microsoft.com> wrote:
> Hi;
> =20
> You are right that most of the discussion so far has been about job
> submi=
ssion
> and not about the related need to get data from client to execution
> subsystem(s) and back again. But since the goal of the group is to
> defin=
e a
> profile covering the end-to-end vertical use cases, I know that we
> will n=
eed
> to tackle the topic of data staging at some point. As with JSDL and
> BES=B9=
s
> relation to the job submission parts of the work, I=B9m hoping we will
> be a=
ble
> to substantially leverage other existing work, such as that of the
> data D=
MIS
> groups, as appropriate. I=B9ll make that more explicit in the next
> revisio=
n of
> the draft charter.
> =20
> Thanks for pointing this matter out,
> Marvin.
> =20
>=20
>=20
> From: Dave Berry [mailto:daveb at nesc.ac.uk]
> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 7:14 AM
> To: Marvin Theimer; ogsa-wg at ggf.org; dmis-bof at ggf.org;
>ogsa-d-wg at gridforu=
m.org
> Subject: RE: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group
> charter =20 Hi,
> =20
> All the discussion I've seen about this profile so far has focussed on
> specifying and submitting jobs, but the proposed charter says that
this i=
s
> only one of two areas of interest; the other being data staging. The
> immediate question is what link will this profile work have to the
> Data Movement Interface Specification group? Will the profile refer
> to the DM=
IS
> spec in the same way that it will refer to JSDL and BES? (Of course,
> JSD=
L
> also covers data staging to some extent).
> =20
> Work is also continuing on the data aspects of the OGSA architecture,
> in =
the
> OGSA Data WG. I would encourage the HPC profile group to engage with
> the=
OGSA
> Data group and the DMIS group concerning how to fit data staging into
> the overall architecture. =20
> Unfortunately I won't be in Tokyo next week but it would be useful if
mem=
bers
> of these groups could get together there to agree a working
> relationship. =20 Best wishes,
> =20
> Dave.
>> =20
>>=20
>>=20
>> From: owner-ogsa-wg at ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg at ggf.org] On Behalf
>>Of Marvin Theimer
>> Sent: 05 May 2006 01:48
>> To: ogsa-wg at ggf.org
>> Subject: [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group charter
>>Hi; =20
>> Enclosed is an initial draft of the OGSA HPC profile working group
chart=
er.
>> This will be brought up for discussion at the HPC profile BoF at the
>> upc=
oming
>> GGF17 conferenece in Tokyo. In the mean time, please feel free to
>> comme=
nt on
>> the draft via email to this mailing list.
>> =20
>> Thanks,
>> Marvin.
>=20
--=20
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Dr. David Wallom
Technical Manager
Oxford e-Research Centre
University of Oxford
c/o OUCS
13 Banbury Road
Oxford
OX2 6NN
Tel : +44 (0)1865 283378
email: david.wallom at ierc.ox.ac.uk
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<FONT FACE=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'>Hi Ma= rvin,<BR> <BR> From reading most of
the correspondence on this topic and from various conv= ersations about
this with various people I was wondering if we could actuall= y launch a
separate Data profile since tacking this onto the end of the HPC =
profile could possibly prove limiting. I was wondering if the data
discussio= n would be a specific part of the BOF?<BR> <BR> Regards<BR>
<BR> David<BR> <BR> <BR> On 5/5/06 16:15, "Marvin Theimer"
<theimer at microsoft.com> w= rote:<BR> <BR>
</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New
Roman"><SPAN= STYLE=3D'font-size:16.0px'>Hi;<BR>
<BR>
You are right that most of the discussion so far has been about job
submiss= ion and not about the related need to get data from client to
execution subs=
ystem(s) and back again. But since the goal of the group is to
define = a profile covering the end-to-end vertical use cases, I know
that we will ne= ed to tackle the topic of data staging at some point.
As with JSDL and= BES’s relation to the job submission
parts of the work, I’m hop= ing we will be able to substantially
leverage other existing work, such as t= hat of the data DMIS groups, as
appropriate. I’ll make that more= explicit in the next
revision of the draft charter.<BR> <BR> Thanks for pointing this
matter out,<BR> Marvin.<BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT
COLOR=3D"#000080"><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial= "><SPAN
STYLE=3D'font-size:13.0px'> <BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT
FACE=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN ST= YLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'>
</SPAN></FONT> <P ALIGN=3DCENTER> <FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times
New Roman"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:16.0px'>= <HR ALIGN=3DCENTER
SIZE=3D"2" WIDTH=3D"100%"></SPAN></FONT></FONT>
<P>
<FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Tahoma"><SPAN
STYLE=3D'font-size:13.0px'><B>From:<=
/B> Dave Berry [<a
href=3D"mailto:daveb at nesc.ac.uk]">mailto:daveb at nesc.ac.uk]<=
/a> <BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 05, 2006 7:14 AM<BR>
<B>To:</B> Marvin Theimer; ogsa-wg at ggf.org; dmis-bof at ggf.org;
ogsa-d-wg at gri= dforum.org<BR> <B>Subject:</B> RE: [ogsa-wg] Initial
draft of HPC profile working group ch= arter<BR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New
Roman"><SPAN STYL= E=3D'font-size:16.0px'> <BR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT
FACE=3D"Arial= "><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:13.0px'>Hi,<BR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New
Roman"><SP= AN STYLE=3D'font-size:16.0px'> <BR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT
FACE=3D"Arial= "><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:13.0px'>All the discussion
I've seen about this pro= file so far has focussed on specifying and
submitting jobs, but the proposed= charter says that this is only one
of two areas of interest; the other bein= g data staging. The
immediate question is what link will this profile = work have to the
Data Movement Interface Specification group? Will the= profile
refer to the DMIS spec in the same way that it will refer to JSDL a= nd
BES? (Of course, JSDL also covers data staging to some
extent).<BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT
FACE=3D"Times New Roman"><SP= AN STYLE=3D'font-size:16.0px'> <BR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT
FACE=3D"Arial= "><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:13.0px'>Work is also
continuing on the data aspects= of the OGSA architecture, in the OGSA
Data WG. I would encourage the = HPC profile group to engage with
the OGSA Data group and the DMIS group conc= erning how to fit data
staging into the overall architecture.<BR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New
Roman"><SP= AN STYLE=3D'font-size:16.0px'> <BR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT
FACE=3D"Arial= "><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:13.0px'>Unfortunately I won't
be in Tokyo next week= but it would be useful if members of these
groups could get together there = to agree a working relationship.<BR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New
Roman"><SP= AN STYLE=3D'font-size:16.0px'> <BR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT
FACE=3D"Arial= "><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:13.0px'>Best wishes,<BR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New
Roman"><SP= AN STYLE=3D'font-size:16.0px'> <BR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT
FACE=3D"Arial= "><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:13.0px'>Dave.<BR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT
FACE=3D"Times Ne= w Roman"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:16.0px'>=20
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<FONT FACE=3D"Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'><BR> </SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT
FACE=3D"Tahoma"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:13.= 0px'><B>From:</B>
owner-ogsa-wg at ggf.org [<a href=3D"mailto:owner-ogsa-wg at ggf.o=
rg]">mailto:owner-ogsa-wg at ggf.org]</a> <B>On Behalf Of </B>Marvin
Theimer<BR=
>
<B>Sent:</B> 05 May 2006 01:48<BR>
<B>To:</B> ogsa-wg at ggf.org<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> [ogsa-wg] Initial draft of HPC profile working group
charte= r<BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"5"><FONT FACE=3D"Times
New Roman"><SPAN STYL= E=3D'font-size:16.0px'>Hi;<BR> <BR>
Enclosed is an initial draft of the OGSA HPC profile working group
charter.= This will be brought up for discussion at the HPC
profile BoF at the = upcoming GGF17 conferenece in Tokyo. In the
mean time, please feel fre= e to comment on the draft via email to this
mailing list.<BR> <BR> Thanks,<BR> Marvin.<BR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana, Helvetica,
Arial"><S= PAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'><BR>
</SPAN></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana, Helvetica,
Arial"><SPAN STY= LE=3D'font-size:12.0px'><BR> <BR>
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Dr. David Wallom<BR>
Technical Manager<BR>
Oxford e-Research Centre<BR>
University of Oxford<BR>
c/o OUCS<BR>
13 Banbury Road<BR>
Oxford<BR>
OX2 6NN<BR>
<BR>
Tel : +44 (0)1865 283378<BR>
email: david.wallom at ierc.ox.ac.uk<BR>
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