[OGSA-BES-WG] New document

[Stephen M Pickles]

All,

Greg Newby, the OGF editor, has given me advice on this.

OGF policy is not particularly prescriptive.
The revised GFD #1 (still in draft) will specify three
as a good number for authors, and five as a reasonable
(but not hard) maximum, and will advise that the
Contributor section be used for others.

Greg also takes the view (and the GFSG supports this) that
anyone listed as an author must individually be willing
to take full responsibility for the document, now and
forever.  This will go into the revised GFD #1, too.
It's the important part, in Greg's view.

OGF is silent on the ordering of authors.

Hope this helps,

Stephen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ogsa-bes-wg-bounces at ogf.org 
> [mailto:ogsa-bes-wg-bounces at ogf.org] On Behalf Of Andreas Savva
> Sent: 05 February 2007 06:10
> To: mark at mark-morgan.org
> Cc: Greg Newby; 'Mail list for ogsa-bes-wg working group'
> Subject: Re: [OGSA-BES-WG] New document
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Being guilty of being the primary author/editor of a number 
> of documents
> where more than 3 people appear on the Editors/Authors list, let me
> emphasize Hiro's comment that this is a recommendation/request. It is
> always difficult to remove people's names from the front page 
> once they
> make it there.
> 
> In brief, if you can find a way to trim down the list fine, but don't
> let this stop you from going to public comment.
> 
> >From observation here is what I would recommend. About ordering,
> alphabetize. If you are making a distinction between authors/editors,
> you could choose to put the editors first on the list. (So Editors are
> alphabetized, and the rest are alphabetized.) If people agree that
> someone has done a lot more work than anyone else (so he is 
> the primary
> editor or author) then it is also ok to put them first and then
> alphabetize the rest.
> 
> If you find that you really really want to put more than one person
> out-of-order then I think you have successfully split the 
> long list into
> the names that should be on the front and the ones that 
> should be put in
> the Contributors section.
> 
> Just my 2c.
> Andreas
> 
> Hiro Kishimoto wrote:
> > Hi Mark and Ian,
> > 
> >> If there are official rules governing this type
> >> of thing, then those rules should be applied.
> > 
> > The following is the GFSG's recommendation and is described in the
> > latest OGF document template in chapter 4. There is no hard limit
> > up to 5, but soft limit up to 3 instead.
> > 
> > https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc8278
> > 
> >> The actual Authors (or Editors) listed on the title page are those
> >> committed to taking permanent stewardship for this document -
> >> receiving communication in the future and otherwise being 
> responsive
> >> to its content.  The GFSG recommends at most three 
> Author/Editors be
> >> listed on the title page, unless there are compelling 
> reasons to list
> >> more.
> > 
> > I don't know there is any ordering recommendation by OGF 
> Editor or GFSG.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > ----
> > Hiro Kishimoto
> > 
> > Mark Morgan wrote:
> >> Members of BES,
> >>
> >> I apologize for acting hastely on this issue.  As Ian 
> pointed out, he was
> >> merely querying as to the order of the author lists.  I 
> can honestly say
> >> that, as for my part, names on the author list were 
> ordered randomly.  I
> >> merely took the list as it was and inserted names either 
> at the end, or as
> >> the mouse happened to land.  If there are official rules 
> governing this type
> >> of thing, then those rules should be applied.  I think it 
> would be best if
> >> someone else took the pen to the document on this one as I 
> am not sure which
> >> 5 people the list should be paired down to (which I 
> understand from Ian is
> >> the author limit suggested by IETF).  If my name ends up 
> on the list, then I
> >> graciously accept the honor, but I neither require nor expect that.
> >>
> >> -Mark
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: ogsa-bes-wg-bounces at ogf.org 
> >>> [mailto:ogsa-bes-wg-bounces at ogf.org] On Behalf Of Ian Foster
> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:27 PM
> >>> To: mark at mark-morgan.org
> >>> Cc: 'Mail list for ogsa-bes-wg working group'
> >>> Subject: Re: [OGSA-BES-WG] New document
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>> I asked you what criteria were applied to selecting and 
> >>> ordering authors, and mentioned that at least for ietf rfcs 
> >>> only 5 authors are allowed--not sure if this applies in ogf.
> >>>
> >>> While I think alphabetical is often easy, I certainly don't 
> >>> want to be first author. I also don't want my name on the 
> >>> list if yours isn't--that would be quite inappropriate.
> >>>
> >>> Ian
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mark Morgan wrote:
> >>>> Apparently I greatly offended Mr. Ian Foster who felt that his 
> >>>> position on the author list didn't represent either his 
> >>> effort, or the 
> >>>> IETF rules (which until today I didn't know).  I have 
> >>> uploaded a new 
> >>>> document which alphabatizes the names and have removed 
> >>> myself from the 
> >>>> author list.  Please see document version 31, now located 
> >>> in gridforge.
> >>>> -Mark
> >>>>
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> >>>    Ian Foster, Director, Computation Institute Argonne 
> >>> National Laboratory & University of Chicago
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