[OGSA-AUTHZ] Next Telecon

[Joni Hahkala]

Hi,

Just extending a bit with the reasoning we have used in EGEE...

Yes, the "primary" VO and group etc are important for the accounting, 
for example who gets changed for the CPU time and the storage space. 
Also usually it is good to have a concept of file owner, which the 
primary group/vo facilitates.

For the plain access control they are probably not so important, unless 
you think the obligations like account name etc are part of access control.

Cheers,
Joni

Valerio Venturi wrote, On 10/31/2006 03:21 PM:
> On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 13:25 -0400, Tom Scavo wrote:
>> On 10/16/06, Valerio Venturi <valerio.venturi at cnaf.infn.it> wrote:
>>> Attribute Authority Interface
>>> We've red the OASIS draft that we were pointed to in Washington OGF by
>>> Tom Scavo and found it good and detailed. It's pretty much like what we
>>> were thinking about, so we dont' think there's need for producing
>>> another doc which won't add much. We'll contact Tom with some concerns
>>> we have.
>> We look forward to your feedback regarding this draft document.
>>
>>> VOMS first attribute
>>> Frank Siebenlist asked whether it would be possible to add a tag to mark
>>> the first of VOMS attributes (both in the context of Attribute
>>> Certificates and SAML Assertions) since it had a special semantic.
>>> Actually, it is the order of the attributes that is meaningfull in VOMS,
>>> not only the first. The voms client indeed have a mean of specyfing the
>>> entire order in which attributes appear. In the context of AC, this is
>>> not a problem since you can specify order in a ASN.1 SEQUENCE. It is in
>>> the context of a SAML Assertion, since despite the fact that most of the
>>> parser will return the child elements of AttributeStatement as they
>>> appear in the doc, this is not mandatoiry. So we are thinking about how
>>> to retain the same behaviour using SAML Assertion.
>> The ordering of Attribute elements in a SAML AttributeStatement is
>> unspecified.  If an ordering is required, a new XML indexing attribute
>> is needed: index="1", index="2", etc.  Can you explain why such an
>> ordering is required (or just point me to the relevant document where
>> this is discussed)?
> Sorry for the late reply Tom. Probably we won't need ordering of Attributes, 
> since we'll change the rendering of VOMS attributes using SAML.
> (we will move the problem to AttributeValue ordering, and we'll probably be doing what you suggested).
> However, in general, ordering of VOMS attributes is needed because it is
> relevant to authorization decisions. VOMS may return a
> list of groups in the VO that the user belong to and an authorization
> function may want to know which groups are more relevant (if some are).
> As a real life example, mapping to local accounts in gLite grid is done
> after the first group present in the VOMS AC.
> 
> Valerio
> 
> 
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