[occi-wg] Voting result

Sat May 9 01:49:23 CDT 2009

I ditto..Richard's JSON, and single format rather than multi

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Krishna Sankar (ksankar) <ksankar at cisco.com
> wrote:

> Richard,
>        Thanks for the summary.
>
>        a)      As a JSON proponent, agree on your observation that we
> should do JSON rendering on it's own right. If you guys take the lead,
> would be happy to pitch-in, (as much as time allows of course).
>        b)      I support the single format than multi.
>
> Cheers
> <k/>
>
> |-----Original Message-----
> |From: occi-wg-bounces at ogf.org [mailto:occi-wg-bounces at ogf.org] On
> Behalf
> |Of Richard Davies
> |Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:42 AM
> |To: occi-wg at ogf.org
> |Subject: Re: [occi-wg] Voting result
> |
> |The list has thankfully gone quiet, so I've recounted the votes since
> my
> |previous post. We are now at:
> |
> |  10 JSON, 5 XML, 2 TXT
> |
> |I don't consider this as a vote for a decision, but do think it has
> |drawn
> |out a lot of opinions and shown the lay of the land more clearly - in
> |the
> |light of the votes, the only two viable options are:
> |
> |- Single-format: JSON
> |- Multi-format: JSON + XML + ?TXT
> |
> |The list has also been fairly evenly split on whether multiple format
> |support makes sense or not (independent of the choice of the single
> |format).
> |
> |
> |I see three conclusions going forward:
> |
> |1) Continue our specification in terms of the model (nouns, verbs,
> |attributes, semantics of these, how these are linked together) with
> both
> |JSON and XML renderings of this being explored on the wiki. We can
> |decide
> |later if we run with both or just JSON.
> |
> |There is still work here - e.g. verbs and attributes on networks have
> |not
> |been specified, nor have we agreed fully the _model_ of how we link
> |servers
> |to storage and networks.
> |
> |Thanks to Alexander Papaspyrou, Andy Edmonds:
> |http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000461.html
> |http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000444.html
> |
> |
> |2) The JSON vs. XML debate is not just about angle-brackets vs.
> |curly-brackets.
> |
> |Amongst the XML supporters, I have seen little opposition to a
> |GData/Atom
> |meta-model around the nouns/verbs/attributes. [Tim Bray, who co-chaired
> |the
> |IETF Atom working group, felt it was the wrong choice, but then he
> |doesn't
> |support using XML at all in this context]
> |
> |However, many(/all?) of the JSON supporters seem to want a lighter
> |meta-model around the nouns/verbs/attributes. For instance, they would
> |probably prefer fixed actuator URLs to passing these in the feed, and
> |would
> |likely transmit flatter hashes of noun attributes rather than following
> |Atom
> |conventions the structure of links, attributes, etc. within an object.
> |
> |Thanks to Ben Black, Andy Edmonds:
> |http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000395.html
> |http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000420.html
> |
> |My conclusion from this is that we should not develop the JSON
> rendering
> |in
> |terms of an XSLT transform from the XML rendering, and should not go
> for
> |"GData-JSON". We will need these automatic transforms eventually, but
> we
> |should develop the JSON rendering in its own right, thinking about what
> |works well for JSON, and then later work out how we'll auto transform
> |back
> |and forth.
> |
> |Do the 10 JSON supporters agree with this, or have I misjudged it and
> |there
> |is actually strong support for GData-JSON?
> |
> |Myself and Chris would be happy to lead developing the JSON rendering
> it
> |its
> |own right if people agree with my statements above and hence that it
> |does
> |need independent development (from the same set of
> nouns/verb/attributes
> |and
> |semantics).
> |
> |
> |3) I suggest we(/I!) stop discussing TXT for now. If we go multi-format
> |then
> |we should probably have it, but Chris has demonstrated how it can be
> |trivially transformed back and forth from JSON.
> |
> |http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000451.html
> |
> |
> |Cheers,
> |
> |Richard.
> |
> |==========================================
> |
> |JSON: 10
> |- Alexis Richardson http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-
> |May/000405.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000405.html>
> |- Andy Edmonds
> http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000420.html
> |- Ben Black http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000395.html
> |- Krishna Sankar http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-
> |May/000455.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000455.html>
> |- Mark Masterson http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-
> |May/000440.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000440.html>
> |- Michael Richardson (private mail to me)
> |- Randy Bias? (JSON listed first at
> |http://wiki.gogrid.com/wiki/index.php/API:Anatomy_of_a_GoGrid_API_Call)
> |- Richard Davies http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-
> |May/000409.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000409.html>(split EH vote)
> |- Tino Vazquez? http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-
> |May/000411.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000411.html>
> |- Tim Bray http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000418.html
> |
> |XML: 5
> |- Chuck W http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000448.html
> |- Gary Mazz http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000470.html
> |- Kristoffer Sheather http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-
> |May/000430.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000430.html>
> |- Sam Johnston
> http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000381.html
> |- William Vambenepe http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-
> |May/000396.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000396.html>
> |
> |TXT: 2
> |- Andre Merzky
> http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000447.html
> |- Chris Webb http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000409.html
> |(split EH vote)
> |
> |Single: 3
> |- Benjamin Black http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-
> |May/000457.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000457.html>
> |- Tim Bray http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000418.html
> |- Richard Davies (revised in light of Tim Bray's comments)
> |
> |Multi: 3
> |- Gary Mazz http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000458.html
> |- Marc-Elian Begin http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-
> |May/000439.html<http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-%0A%7CMay/000439.html>
> |- Sam Johnston
> http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/occi-wg/2009-May/000445.html
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