[interop-bof] [BYTEIO-WG] ByteIO Interop Document

[David Snelling]

Folks,

+1

For the whole mail. It brings back memories of the first WSRF interop  
almost three years ago. We wound up doing an interop of WS-Addressing  
as well. Use as little on the WSRF functions as possible, we already  
know that WSRF specs are very good and many people have made  
interoperable implementations from them. No need to test those specs.

On 3 Oct 2006, at 17:24, Stephen M Pickles wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I agree with you.
>
> As I see it, the objective of your interoperability work is
> in order to validate your own specification, not to test the
> interoperability of specifications (and their implementations)
> on which you depend, such as WSRF. Thus, I would say that the
> following questions are in scope:
> 1) is the specification sufficiently clear and free of ambiguities
>    to allow the independent development of interoperable
>    implementations?
> 2) do the interoperability testing experiences highlight a need for
>    clarification, such as a profile of how dependent specifications
>    should or should not be used to achieve interoperability?
> 3) do the interoperability testing experiences expose a deficiency
>    in the spec itself which should be addressed by errata or
>    another revision?
> And, IMHO, the following can be ruled out of scope
> (bring them into scope at your peril):
> 1) proving that a given set of implementations do indeed interoperate
>    (the main business of OGF is standards, not implementations.)
> 2) testing the interoperability of dependent specifications.
> 3) testing the compliance of an implementation with your specification
> 4) testing the compliance of an implementation of a dependent
>    specification.
> (This is not to say that all these aren't important - one hopes that
> sooner or later all of these do get addressed. But the working
> group shouldn't have to take them all on.)
>
> This is easy to say, but can be much harder to do. My advice,
> FWIW, is to be pragmatic - do what you reasonably can to achieve
> your objectives without opening too many cans of worms, and
> document the rationale behind key decisions along the way.
>
> I'm cross-posting this to the interop-bof list, in the hope that
> others will have constructive comments or relevant experience to
> share.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stephen
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: byteio-wg-bounces at ogf.org
>> [mailto:byteio-wg-bounces at ogf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Morgan
>> Sent: 03 October 2006 16:32
>> To: 'Mailing List for BYTEIO-WG'
>> Subject: [BYTEIO-WG] ByteIO Interop Document
>>
>> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>>
>> On the telecon today, an issue was raised about the interoperability
>> document that needs to be addressed this week if possible
>> (via email if
>> possible).  Basically, everyone seems to agree that we need
>> to get WSRF
>> ResourceProperties to test the properties that part part of the  
>> ByteIO
>> specification (getting the size of a ByteIO resource, etc.).
>> However, I
>> personally am of the opinion that we should minimize the amount of
>> non-ByteIO specific mechanism that we test as our purpose is
>> only to test
>> ByteIO and not WSRF.  That said, I think we should utilize
>> the simplist
>> Resource Property operation, namely GetResourceProperty, but
>> not use other
>> WSRF-RP operations such as QueryResourceProperties and
>> GetMultipleResourceProperties.  I just don't feel like their
>> inclusion in
>> our test serves any purpose beyond interoperability testing
>> of WSRF which
>> isn't our goal.  Thoughts?
>>
>> -Mark
>>
>> --
>> Mark Morgan
>> Research Scientist
>> Department of Computer Science
>> University of Virginia
>> http://www.cs.virginia.edu
>> mmm2a at virginia.edu
>> (434) 982-2047
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