[gin-ops] [gin-auth] start Savannah run

Wed Jan 3 18:12:09 CST 2007

Thanks JP Navarro,

It is working again.  Will there be any problems with using 80GB in
/home/ginuser?  There seems to be 250GB free.

Regards,
Colin

---
Colin Enticott, Research Scientist, Ph: +61 03 9903 2215
Room H7.26, Level 7, Building H, Monash University Caulfield 3145, Australia

> -----Original Message-----
> From: JP Navarro [mailto:navarro at mcs.anl.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, 4 January 2007 3:00 AM
> To: Colin Enticott
> Cc: gin-auth at ggf.org; gin-ops at ggf.org; 'Terrence Martin'; zhengc at sdsc.edu
> Subject: Re: [gin-ops] [gin-auth] start Savannah run
> 
> Colin,
> 
> We didn't have the Monash University CA configured on tg-
> grid1.uc.teragrid.org.
> This has now been fixed.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> JP Navarro
> 
> On Jan 3, 2007, at 2:13 AM, Colin Enticott wrote:
> 
> > First of all, Happy new year everyone!
> >
> > Thankyou for your help last year.
> >
> > I have two quick questions:
> >
> > I am now receiving a "certificate expired" message from
> > tg-grid1.uc.teragrid.org.  My certificate still works elsewhere.
> > Is it the
> > server's certificate?
> >
> > And on osg-gw-2.t2.ucsd.edu, I need to write ~80GB of data for the
> > experiment.  Which directory can I use?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Colin
> >
> > ---
> > Colin Enticott, Research Scientist, Ph: +61 03 9903 2215
> > Room H7.26, Level 7, Building H, Monash University Caulfield 3145,
> > Australia
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Terrence Martin [mailto:tmartin at physics.ucsd.edu]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2006 5:41 PM
> >> To: Colin Enticott
> >> Cc: 'Yoshio Tanaka'; D.Bannon at vpac.org; navarro at mcs.anl.gov; gin-
> >> auth at ggf.org; gin-ops at ggf.org
> >> Subject: Re: [gin-ops] [gin-auth] start Savannah run
> >>
> >> colin, if you want to try logging into
> >>
> >> colin at uaf-1.t2.ucsd.edu
> >>
> >> run
> >>
> >> source /data/vdt/setup.sh
> >>
> >> then grab a cert with grid-proxy-init and give it a try.
> >>
> >> It is the machine that all my users use to submit to my OSG site.
> >>
> >> Terrence
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Colin Enticott wrote:
> >>> Hi Yoshio,
> >>>
> >>> I've tried it from 3 servers.  On the server I have root access
> >>> on, I
> >> just
> >>> manually synced and I am still having the problem.  I am
> >>> wondering if
> >> the CA
> >>> certificate I sent is okay.  It's the APAC CA files we use here
> >>> on our
> >>> servers.
> >>>
> >>> On the Pragma resources, I have been using my old certificate (as
> >> initially
> >>> there was teething problems with the new APAC CA).  Can you
> >>> update your
> >>> server with the details below and I'll give it a try:
> >>>
> >>> http://wiki.pragma-grid.net/index.php?title=ColinDetails
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Colin
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> Colin Enticott, Research Scientist, Ph: +61 03 9903 2215
> >>> Room H7.26, Level 7, Building H, Monash University Caulfield 3145,
> >> Australia
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Yoshio Tanaka [mailto:yoshio.tanaka at aist.go.jp]
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2006 4:51 PM
> >>>> To: Colin.Enticott at csse.monash.edu.au
> >>>> Cc: D.Bannon at vpac.org; tmartin at physics.ucsd.edu;
> >>>> navarro at mcs.anl.gov;
> >> gin-
> >>>> auth at ggf.org; gin-ops at ggf.org; yoshio.tanaka at aist.go.jp
> >>>> Subject: Re: [gin-ops] [gin-auth] start Savannah run
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Colin,
> >>>>
> >>>> Are you able to submit jobs to PRAGMA machines?
> >>>> If yes, the APAC CA on your machine should have no problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> One point that I would like to confirm is...
> >>>> Is the time of your client machine correct?  Do you use an NTP
> >>>> server
> >>>> for synchronize the time?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Yoshio Tanaka (yoshio.tanaka at aist.go.jp)
> >>>> http://ninf.apgrid.org/
> >>>> http://www.apgridpma.org/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Colin Enticott <Colin.Enticott at csse.monash.edu.au>
> >>>> Subject: RE: [gin-ops] [gin-auth] start Savannah run
> >>>> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 16:38:40 +1100
> >>>> Message-ID: <01df01c7182f$9f59a3d0$1e46c282 at nail>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Yoshio,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am unable to log in. But below is what JP sent me.  Any ideas on
> >> what
> >>>>>
> >>>> it
> >>>>
> >>>>> means?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Doing a Google I find:
> >>>>> The error might arise from an expired certificate or when
> >>>>> trying to
> >>>>>
> >>>> restore
> >>>>
> >>>>> certification expiration date and job are in some state in the
> >>>>> Grid
> >>>>> execution list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I guess it might be a problem with the APAC CA on your
> >>>>> machines?  Was
> >>>>>
> >>>> the CA
> >>>>
> >>>>> set up previously?  Or did you use the ones on my info page? (This
> >>>>>
> >>>> leaves
> >>>>
> >>>>> the question if I packaged them correctly).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 12:34 -0600, JP Navarro wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> TIME: Thu Nov 30 18:49:42 2006
> >>>>>   PID: 9608 -- Notice: 0: GATEKEEPER_ACCT_FD=5 (/var/globus/prews-
> >>>>> gram-4.0.1-r3-i1/log/globus-gatekeeper.log)
> >>>>> TIME: Thu Nov 30 18:49:42 2006
> >>>>>   PID: 9608 -- Notice: 6: Got connection 198.202.88.52 at Thu
> >>>>> Nov 30
> >>>>> 18:49:42 2006
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Failed reading length 0
> >>>>> GSS authentication failure
> >>>>>      globus_gss_assist token :3: read failure: Connection closed
> >>>>> Failure: GSS failed Major:01090000 Minor:00000000 Token:00000003
> >>>>>
> >>>>> TIME: Thu Nov 30 18:49:42 2006
> >>>>>   PID: 9608 -- Failure: GSS failed Major:01090000 Minor:00000000
> >>>>> Token:00000003
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Colin
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> Colin Enticott, Research Scientist, Ph: +61 03 9903 2215
> >>>>> Room H7.26, Level 7, Building H, Monash University Caulfield 3145,
> >>>>>
> >>>> Australia
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Yoshio Tanaka [mailto:yoshio.tanaka at aist.go.jp]
> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2006 12:51 PM
> >>>>>> To: Colin.Enticott at csse.monash.edu.au
> >>>>>> Cc: D.Bannon at vpac.org; tmartin at physics.ucsd.edu;
> >>>>>> navarro at mcs.anl.gov;
> >>>>>>
> >>>> gin-
> >>>>
> >>>>>> auth at ggf.org; gin-ops at ggf.org; yoshio.tanaka at aist.go.jp
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [gin-ops] [gin-auth] start Savannah run
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Colin,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you can login to these machines, see the globus
> >>>>>> gatekeeper's log
> >>>>>>
> >>>> at:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> ${GLOBUS_LOCATION}/var/globus-gatekeeper.log
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You may find error logs such as no entry in mapfile and
> >>>>>> failure in
> >>>>>> tracing cert chain.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Yoshio Tanaka (yoshio.tanaka at aist.go.jp)
> >>>>>> http://ninf.apgrid.org/
> >>>>>> http://www.apgridpma.org/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> From: Colin Enticott <Colin.Enticott at csse.monash.edu.au>
> >>>>>> Subject: RE: [gin-ops] [gin-auth] start Savannah run
> >>>>>> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:24:42 +1100
> >>>>>> Message-ID: <01c001c7180c$24c430e0$1e46c282 at nail>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks Yoshio,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So it looks like authentication issues as I can connect to
> >>>>>>> port 2119
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> on
> >>>>
> >>>>>> both
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> hosts:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> cme at edda$ globusrun -a -r tg-grid1.uc.teragrid.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> GRAM Authentication test failure: connecting to the job manager
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> failed.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Possible reasons: job terminated, invalid job contact, network
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> problems,
> >>>>
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> cme at edda$ globusrun -a -r osg-gw-2.t2.ucsd.edu
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> GRAM Authentication test failure: connecting to the job manager
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> failed.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Possible reasons: job terminated, invalid job contact, network
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> problems,
> >>>>
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>> Colin
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>> Colin Enticott, Research Scientist, Ph: +61 03 9903 2215
> >>>>>>> Room H7.26, Level 7, Building H, Monash University Caulfield
> >>>>>>> 3145,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Australia
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: Yoshio Tanaka [mailto:yoshio.tanaka at aist.go.jp]
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 5 December 2006 12:21 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: Colin.Enticott at csse.monash.edu.au
> >>>>>>>> Cc: D.Bannon at vpac.org; tmartin at physics.ucsd.edu;
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> navarro at mcs.anl.gov;
> >>>>
> >>>>>> gin-
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> auth at ggf.org; gin-ops at ggf.org; yoshio.tanaka at aist.go.jp
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [gin-ops] [gin-auth] start Savannah run
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Colin,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Please test the authentication by the following command:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> % globusrun -a -r osg-gw-2.t2.ucsd.edu
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> % globusrun -a -r tg-grid1.uc.teragrid.org
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Yoshio Tanaka (yoshio.tanaka at aist.go.jp)
> >>>>>>>> http://ninf.apgrid.org/
> >>>>>>>> http://www.apgridpma.org/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: Colin Enticott <Colin.Enticott at csse.monash.edu.au>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [gin-ops] [gin-auth] start Savannah run
> >>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:44:05 +1100
> >>>>>>>> Message-ID: <017401c71806$77cf6760$1e46c282 at nail>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks David,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> But still the same problem.  As you can see, my certificate
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> still
> >>>>
> >>>>>> works
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> the vpac host and there is definitely no firewall in the way:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> cme at edda$ grid-proxy-init -cert usercert.pem.APACGrid -key
> >>>>>>>>> userkey.pem.APACGrid
> >>>>>>>>> Your identity: /C=AU/O=APACGrid/OU=Monash University/CN=Colin
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Enticott
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Enter GRID pass phrase for this identity:
> >>>>>>>>> Creating proxy ................................... Done
> >>>>>>>>> Your proxy is valid until: Tue Dec  5 23:28:47 2006
> >>>>>>>>> cme at edda$ globus-job-run osg-gw-2.t2.ucsd.edu/jobmanager-fork
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> /bin/uname
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> GRAM Job submission failed because the connection to the
> >>>>>>>>> server
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> failed
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> (check host and port) (error code 12)
> >>>>>>>>> cme at edda$ globus-job-run tg-grid1.uc.teragrid.org/jobmanager-
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> fork
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> /bin/uname
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -a
> >>>>>>>>> GRAM Job submission failed because the connection to the
> >>>>>>>>> server
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> failed
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> (check host and port) (error code 12)
> >>>>>>>>> cme at edda$ globus-job-run ng1.vpac.org/jobmanager-fork /bin/
> >>>>>>>>> uname
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> -a
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Linux ng1.vpac.org 2.6.16.29-xen #4 SMP Sun Oct 15 13:20:46
> >>>>>>>>> BST
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> 2006
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> i686
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> i686 i386 GNU/Linux
> >>>>>>>>> cme at edda$ telnet tg-grid1.uc.teragrid.org 2119
> >>>>>>>>> Trying 192.5.198.225...
> >>>>>>>>> Connected to tg-grid1.uc.teragrid.org.
> >>>>>>>>> Escape character is '^]'.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Connection closed by foreign host.
> >>>>>>>>> cme at edda$ telnet osg-gw-2.t2.ucsd.edu 2119
> >>>>>>>>> Trying 137.110.141.17...
> >>>>>>>>> Connected to osg-gw-2.t2.ucsd.edu.
> >>>>>>>>> Escape character is '^]'.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Connection closed by foreign host.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Any other thoughts from anyone?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>> Colin
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>>> Colin Enticott, Research Scientist, Ph: +61 03 9903 2215
> >>>>>>>>> Room H7.26, Level 7, Building H, Monash University Caulfield
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> 3145,
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> Australia
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: David Bannon [mailto:D.Bannon at vpac.org]
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 4 December 2006 6:08 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> To: JP Navarro
> >>>>>>>>>> Cc: Colin Enticott; gin-auth at ggf.org; gin-ops at ggf.org;
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> 'Terrence
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> Martin'
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [gin-auth] start Savannah run
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Colin, you can run as a Gin user on any of the VPAC machines,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> my
> >>>>
> >>>>>> be
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> easier to debug....
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 12:34 -0600, JP Navarro wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Colin,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The error in the logs is below. Not sure what it means.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> Could
> >>>>
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> try this
> >>>>>>>>>>> test again from your SDSC TeraGrid account so we can rule
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> out
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> software and
> >>>>>>>>>>> firewall issues?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> JP
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> TIME: Thu Nov 30 18:49:42 2006
> >>>>>>>>>>>   PID: 9608 -- Notice: 0: GATEKEEPER_ACCT_FD=5
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> (/var/globus/prews-
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> gram-4.0.1-r3-i1/log/globus-gatekeeper.log)
> >>>>>>>>>>> TIME: Thu Nov 30 18:49:42 2006
> >>>>>>>>>>>   PID: 9608 -- Notice: 6: Got connection 198.202.88.52 at
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> Thu
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Nov 30
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 18:49:42 2006
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Failed reading length 0
> >>>>>>>>>>> GSS authentication failure
> >>>>>>>>>>>      globus_gss_assist token :3: read failure: Connection
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> closed
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Failure: GSS failed Major:01090000 Minor:00000000
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> Token:00000003
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> TIME: Thu Nov 30 18:49:42 2006
> >>>>>>>>>>>   PID: 9608 -- Failure: GSS failed Major:01090000
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> Minor:00000000
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Token:00000003
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 30, 2006, at 7:05 PM, Colin Enticott wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks JP,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> But I am running into some problems.  I've tried both from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> our
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> server and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rocks-52 and this is what I get:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [cme at rocks-52 ~]$ globus-job-run tg-grid1.uc.teragrid.org/
> >>>>>>>>>>>> jobmanager-fork
> >>>>>>>>>>>> /bin/uname -a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> GRAM Job submission failed because the connection to the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> server
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> failed
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (check host and port) (error code 12)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [cme at rocks-52 ~]$ grid-proxy-info
> >>>>>>>>>>>> subject  : /C=AU/O=APACGrid/OU=Monash University/CN=Colin
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Enticott/CN=1087048434
> >>>>>>>>>>>> issuer   : /C=AU/O=APACGrid/OU=Monash University/CN=Colin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Enticott
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> identity : /C=AU/O=APACGrid/OU=Monash University/CN=Colin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Enticott
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> type     : Proxy draft (pre-RFC) compliant impersonation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> proxy
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> strength : 512 bits
> >>>>>>>>>>>> path     : /home/cme/globus_proxy.APACGrid
> >>>>>>>>>>>> timeleft : 836:30:26  (34.8 days)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [cme at rocks-52 ~]$ ssh tg-grid1.uc.teragrid.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Warning: Permanently added 'tg-grid1.uc.teragrid.org'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> (RSA) to
> >>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> list of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> known hosts.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Permission denied (external-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> keyx,gssapi,publickey,gssapi,hostbased).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [cme at rocks-52 ~]$
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That is the certificate that I registered with.  I also
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> tried
> >>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ssh key
> >>>>>>>>>>>> pair I put up on the pragma wiki.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Colin Enticott, Research Scientist, Ph: +61 03 9903 2215
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Room H7.26, Level 7, Building H, Monash University
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> Caulfield
> >>>>
> >>>>>> 3145,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Australia
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: JP Navarro [mailto:navarro at mcs.anl.gov]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 2:47 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Colin Enticott
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: zhengc at sdsc.edu; 'Terrence Martin'; gin-ops at ggf.org;
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> 'Oscar
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Koeroo';
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> gin-auth at ggf.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: start Savannah run
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You should be set to go on the UC/ANL TeraGrid cluster.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GT4 Pre-WS GRAM: tg-grid1.uc.teragrid.org:2119
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GT4 WS GRAM:     tg-grid1.uc.teragrid.org:8443 (FORK,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> PBS)
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GT4 GridFTP:     tg-gridftp.uc.teragrid.org:2811
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> JP
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 30, 2006, at 2:43 AM, Colin Enticott wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thankyou everyone.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am now registered on the GIN VO (well, I appear here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://kuiken.nikhef.nl/gin.ggf.org/grid-mapfile).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is my next step?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin Enticott, Research Scientist, Ph: +61 03 9903 2215
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Room H7.26, Level 7, Building H, Monash University
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> Caulfield
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> 3145,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Australia
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Cindy Zheng [mailto:zhengc at sdsc.edu]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:59 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'Terrence Martin'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: 'JP Navarro'; gin-ops at ggf.org; 'Oscar Koeroo';
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> 'Colin
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enticott'; gin-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> auth at ggf.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: FW: start Savannah run
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Terrence!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We'll wait to hear from Colin when Colin finishes
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registering to gin vo.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Terrence Martin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> [mailto:tmartin at physics.ucsd.edu]
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:36 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Oscar Koeroo
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: zhengc at sdsc.edu; 'JP Navarro'; gin-ops at ggf.org;
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> 'Colin
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enticott'; gin-auth at ggf.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: FW: start Savannah run
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oscar Koeroo wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Terrence and Cindy,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting new users up for registration on the GIN VO
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> is
> >>>>
> >>>>>> easy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to access the secured website and for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> authentication
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> reasons
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the registration process new users must have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> their
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certificate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded and ready in their webbrowser. The VOMS server
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> is
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all IGTF accredited CAs including the Fermilab kCA.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Go to the website:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://kuiken.nikhef.nl:8443/voms/gin.ggf.org/ and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apply for a "New user registration".
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The usual VOMS configuration info is also available.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> I
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't know what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'll need to populate a GUMS server. This VOMS
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> server
> >>>>
> >>>>>> is as
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> any
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other so I guess you can use your regular setup.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition to the secured interface I've also made
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> available
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-secured way of grabbing a grid-mapfile.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://kuiken.nikhef.nl/gin.ggf.org/grid-mapfile
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is also an RSS-feed pointing to the grid-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> mapfile
> >>>>
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the secured
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://kuiken.nikhef.nl/gin.ggf.org/feed-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> gin.ggf.org.xml
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I'm not aware of a clear guide. I do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> know a
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creating the packed certificate files that go into
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> your
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> browser if you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start from a two PEM formated files (certificate file
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> +
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private key
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file) that's at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> http://certificate.nikhef.nl/info/browser
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once a user has passed that stage, the registration
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> for
> >>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO is as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trivial as any web-forum account registration.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am assuming this user already has a grid cert since
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> they
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list a DN so
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only VOMS registration is required. Once that is done
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> either I
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update of GUMS manually or in 720/2 minutes on average
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> the
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user will be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically downloaded into my GUMS database. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> actually
> >>>>
> >>>>>> do
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do anything, but I can speed things up ever so
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> slightly
> >>>>
> >>>>>> if
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the office and someone asks me to try refreshing gums.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Terrence
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Oscar
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy Zheng wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds right, Terrence. Let me ask Oscar who has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> helped
> >>>>
> >>>>>> me
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with GIN
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO before.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Oscar,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you advise Colin what need to be done to be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added in GIN VO?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm also cc'ing to gin-auth list.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there is a guide for potential GIN users, please
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let me know the url and I can link it to our GINOPS
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Terrence Martin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> [mailto:tmartin at physics.ucsd.edu]
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:24 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: zhengc at sdsc.edu
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: 'JP Navarro'; gin-ops at ggf.org; 'Colin Enticott'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: FW: start Savannah run
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The quickest and easiest way for me is to have him
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> added to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a VO.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How easy is it to add him to the GIN VO? One in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> there I
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can hit my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gums reload and he will be able to access UCSD as a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> GIN
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user. Any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other approach requires me hacking his DN into my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> local
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO which I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer to avoid and does not help him with any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> other
> >>>>
> >>>>>> site.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Terrence
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy Zheng wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Terrence, for the quick reply!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin has not been a GIN user.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think it's the best way to get colin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> access?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Terrence Martin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> [mailto:tmartin at physics.ucsd.edu]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, November 28, 2006 2:53 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: zhengc at sdsc.edu
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: 'JP Navarro'; gin-ops at ggf.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: FW: start Savannah run
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We only have a production cluster, but I should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> still
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to help.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not seem to have Colin in my GUMS database
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> though
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GIN or any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other VO. Should he be downloaded with GIN's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> users?
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Terrence
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy Zheng wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, JP and Terrence,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you help Colin to get ready to run
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> Savannah
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application on your GIN testbed clusters?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can find Colin's user info at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.pragma-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> grid.net/index.php?title=ColinDetails
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you need more info or action from Colin, or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> have
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any questions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for Colin or me, please let us know.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Cindy Zheng [mailto:zhengc at sdsc.edu] Sent:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Tuesday,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> November 28, 2006 2:31 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'gin-ops at ggf.org'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: start Savannah run
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the people involved to help make
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TDDFT application run and GIN testbed monitoring
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very fruitful experiments! We have learned a lot
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> and
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presented our learnings at OGF and SC06.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's continue our collaborative effort with our
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> plan
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - start our
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next experiment with Savannah
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire simulation - a data-intensive application,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> to
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explore data
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related interoperation issues.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin Enticott at Monash University of Australia
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the lead driver. Colin has documented the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> introduction and requirements of this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> application at
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.pragma-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> grid.net/index.php?title=Savannah
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or go to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects.gin/wi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ki/GinOps
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> click "Savannah" under "Applications",
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where "first Savannah experiment" is refering to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a previous experiment in PRAGMA testbed. The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "second Savannah experiment" is the one for GIN
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> testbed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We like to run this application on all Grids in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> GIN
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testbed, but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2 steps. First, we will run it on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PRAGMA/TeraGrid/OSG - since
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these should be relatively easier to do. We like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> to
> >>>>
> >>>>>> get
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this done
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before the year end.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The next step, Colin will work with EGEE and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nordugrid
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to develop possible solutions, to enable
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> interoperation
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and to include all 5 Grids in the run.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance for your continued help with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> this!
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cindy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
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> >>>>>>>>>>>   gin-auth at ogf.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>   http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/gin-auth
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>   gin-ops at ogf.org
> >>>>>>>>>   http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/gin-ops
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >