[fs-bof] Financial services API Working Group BoF
Christopher Smith
csmith at platform.com
Mon May 14 11:55:17 CDT 2007
Hi Adam,
Let me just echo Bob¹s comments that we¹re in no way trying to take
ownership of this activity, but want to make sure we¹re poised to help in
any way we can. We believe that we can make a case that OGF provides value
to the process of bringing standards to fruition, and as such we want to
take steps, in parallel to any current activities, that will make us ready
to accept some FS standardization efforts if/when the decision is made to
roll it into the OGF.
-- Chris
On 14/5/07 05:12, "Robert Cohen" <bcohen at bway.net> wrote:
> Dear Adam,
>
> I think that the idea is not to take ownership but to contribute in a helpful
> manner to the deliberations that the FS group is beginning. So I think there
> is a fair amount of flexibility inherent in how this relationship can be
> structured.
>
> I think after the next London meeting and the one that we expect to have in
> New York, there should be a better idea of the way this relationship will
> work. As an initial step, I think that OGF can contribute expertise where it
> is helpful and to contribute to efforts to bring vendors and other players to
> the table. Let's leave this fairly open and see how it involves.
>
> There is no intention to take ownership of the process.
>
> Bob Cohen
>
>
> Hiro Kishimoto wrote:
>>
>> Hi Adam,
>>
>> I agree we should discuss these topics in the first place.
>>
>>> > why the OGF are quite so keen to
>>> > take ownership and control of this process, or what benefit this will
>>> > bring to the initiative. To make a compelling case this needs to be
>>> > clear.
>>
>> Although "own and control" sound too strong to me but there are
>> several good reasons why OGF wants to work with London Group closely.
>>
>> - "Grid adoption" is OGF's primary mission
>> - OGF needs the other related APIs align with your API.
>> - Financial Services is the excellent early adopter and OGF would
>> use this as role model for other vertical domains.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -----
>> Hiro Kishimoto
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re:[fs-bof] Financial services API Working Group BoF
>> From: Adam Vile <adam.vile at excelian.com> <mailto:adam.vile at excelian.com>
>> To: hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com, fs-bof at ogf.org, john.barr at intel.com
>> Date: 2007/05/14 15:51
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hiro
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>>
>>> While I understand the benefits to the London group of making use of the
>>> existing.OGF frameworks I am not clear why the OGF are quite so keen to
>>> take ownership and control of this process, or what benefit this will
>>> bring to the initiative. To make a compelling case this needs to be clear.
>>>
>>> I will pass on your email to the interested parties, and at the next
>>> meeting will invite them to consider the ogf offer.
>>>
>>> From my perspective it always helps to have someone else do the admin!!
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Adam
>>> --------------------------
>>> Sent using BlackBerry
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: fs-bof-bounces at ogf.org <fs-bof-bounces at ogf.org>
>>> <mailto:fs-bof-bounces at ogf.org>
>>> To: fs-bof at ogf.org <fs-bof at ogf.org> <mailto:fs-bof at ogf.org>
>>> Sent: Sun May 13 11:52:29 2007
>>> Subject: Re: [fs-bof] Financial services API Working Group BoF
>>>
>>> Hi Adam,
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for your excellent presentation at the workshop
>>> and thoughtful opinions on financial services activities.
>>>
>>> Although OGF has set-up a BoF mailing, it is *not* a formal working
>>> group yet. Bird-of-feather (BoF) is a vehicle for gauging interest
>>> and readiness of the group.
>>>
>>> It is very possible to use private consortia in London to define FS
>>> API (at least version 1.0), since they already start working, it can
>>> be the fastest way.
>>>
>>> However, I think they can get the following benefits from OGF:
>>> - Utilize multiple technical expertises in Grid Computing, they can
>>> use a part of existing API specification if they like.
>>> - Save time to establish IPR agreement by using existing ones.
>>> - Leverage OGF's recognition of well-known established open standards
>>> development organization.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> ----
>>> Hiro Kishimoto
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re:Financial services API Working Group BoF
>>> From: Adam Vile <adam.vile at excelian.com> <mailto:adam.vile at excelian.com>
>>> To: bcohen at bway.net
>>> Cc: "Dolan, Andrew " <andrew.dolan at citi.com> <mailto:andrew.dolan at citi.com>
>>> , chris.swan at csfb.com,
>>> "Swan, Chris (IT R&D)" <chris.swan at credit-suisse.com>
>>> <mailto:chris.swan at credit-suisse.com> , "Chris Allison"
>>> <chris.allison at citihub.com> <mailto:chris.allison at citihub.com> , "Steve
>>> Crumb" <scrumb at ogf.org> <mailto:scrumb at ogf.org> , "Findlan,
>>> Shawn (IT)" <Shawn.Findlan at morganstanley.com>
>>> <mailto:Shawn.Findlan at morganstanley.com> , "Cheryl Doninger"
>>> <Cheryl.Doninger at sas.com> <mailto:Cheryl.Doninger at sas.com> , "Subramaniam,
>>> Ravi"
>>> <ravi.subramaniam at intel.com> <mailto:ravi.subramaniam at intel.com> , "Linesch,
>>> Mark" <mark.linesch at hp.com> <mailto:mark.linesch at hp.com> ,
>>> "Joel Replogle" <replogle at ogf.org> <mailto:replogle at ogf.org> , "Strong,
>>> Paul" <pstrong at ebay.com> <mailto:pstrong at ebay.com> ,
>>> "Andre Merzky" <andre at merzky.net> <mailto:andre at merzky.net> , "Christopher
>>> Smith"
>>> <csmith at platform.com> <mailto:csmith at platform.com> , "Barr, John"
>>> <john.barr at intel.com> <mailto:john.barr at intel.com> , "Hiro
>>> Kishimoto" <hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com>
>>> <mailto:hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com>
>>> Date: 2007/05/11 18:36
>>>
>>>> > Many thanks for organising the meeting with the OGF. I wanted to clarify
>>>> > the discussion and state what I think are the actions.
>>>> >
>>>> > As you know there is an active group in London made up of vendors and
>>>> > customers looking at the possibility of establishing a standard API for
>>>> > Financial applications. This is being run by John Barr of Intel. At the
>>>> > last meeting the group made it clear that this is a pragmatic initiative
>>>> > and is to be driven through use cases. The aim has always to feed back
>>>> > the results to the OGF for standardisation work if appropriate. There is
>>>> > a resistance to using the OGF framework based around poor experiences
>>>> > with standards in general. The principle of this group is that the
>>>> > ownership of this process should be with the users, not with a standards
>>>> > body, but the project should contribute to the community through,
>>>> > perhaps, standards.
>>>> >
>>>> > I took away the action from our meeting on Wednesday to discuss with the
>>>> > group the offer of the OGF to facilitate and provide a framework for the
>>>> > discussion.
>>>> >
>>>> > There was also the action to create a US focussed group with similar
>>>> > aims, and to share across both groups. I was not under the impression
>>>> > that this would result in the creation of a separate OGF working group.
>>>> > I think it is important to ensure that London and US groups are able to
>>>> > work together in an agile and flexible way.
>>>> >
>>>> > The London group meeting is at the end of may and I will feed back to
>>>> > this mail list after the meeting on the action above. I don't think we
>>>> > should move too fast to create too many structures before having input
>>>> > from the existing London group.
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards
>>>> >
>>>> > Adam
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Dr Adam Vile
>>>> > Head of Grid, HPC and Technical Computing
>>>> > Excelian LTD
>>>> > 50 Featherstone Street, London, EC1Y 8RT
>>>> > Tel: +44 (0)207 336 9595
>>>> > Mobile: +44 (0)7919 050976
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>> > From: Hiro Kishimoto [mailto:hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com]
>>>> > Sent: 10 May 2007 13:11
>>>> > To: Findlan, Shawn (IT)
>>>> > Cc: bcohen at bway.net; Adam Vile; Dolan, Andrew ; chris.swan at csfb.com;
>>>> > Swan, Chris (IT R&D); Chris Allison; Steve Crumb; Cheryl Doninger;
>>>> > Subramaniam, Ravi; Linesch, Mark; Joel Replogle; Strong, Paul; Andre
>>>> > Merzky; Christopher Smith
>>>> > Subject: Re: Financial services API Working Group BoF
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Shawn,
>>>> >
>>>>> > > Let's just use Financial Services Working Group as the title. I
>>>>> > > suspect we will have much more to discuss and collaborate on besides
>>>>> > > the API.
>>>> >
>>>> > That's fine, let's call it "Financial Services Working Group" and set
>>>> > API spec as its first goal.
>>>> >
>>>> > Next step is write up a WG charter draft.
>>>> >
>>>> > Shawn: Please fill in the following on-line charter page. You need
>>>> > GridForge account to fill this page.
>>>> >
>>>> > - http://www.ggf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?new
>>>> >
>>>> > The following is an example of charter documents of exiting WGs.
>>>> > - http://www.ggf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?review&group=rus-wg
>>> <http://www.ggf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?review&group=rus-wg>
>>>> >
>>>> > Joel: can you set up mailing list (FS-BoF at ogf.org) and document archive
>>>> > (GridForge Project Page,
>>>> > https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/fs-bof/) for Shawn?
>>>> > It is still in the air but I guess FS-WG can be under
>>>> > Application Area.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> > -----
>>>> > Hiro Kishimoto
>>>> >
>>>> > -------- Original Message --------
>>>> > Subject: Re:Financial services API Working Group BoF
>>>> > From: Findlan, Shawn (IT) <Shawn.Findlan at morganstanley.com>
>>>> <mailto:Shawn.Findlan at morganstanley.com>
>>>> > To: Hiro Kishimoto <hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com>
>>>> <mailto:hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com> , bcohen at bway.net
>>>> > Cc: "Adam Vile" <adam.vile at excelian.com> <mailto:adam.vile at excelian.com>
>>>> , "Dolan, Andrew "
>>>> > <andrew.dolan at citi.com> <mailto:andrew.dolan at citi.com> ,
>>>> chris.swan at csfb.com, "Swan, Chris (IT R&D)"
>>>> > <chris.swan at credit-suisse.com> <mailto:chris.swan at credit-suisse.com> ,
>>>> "Chris Allison"
>>>> > <chris.allison at citihub.com> <mailto:chris.allison at citihub.com> , "Steve
>>>> Crumb" <scrumb at ogf.org> <mailto:scrumb at ogf.org> , "Cheryl
>>>> > Doninger" <Cheryl.Doninger at sas.com> <mailto:Cheryl.Doninger at sas.com> ,
>>>> "Subramaniam, Ravi"
>>>> > <ravi.subramaniam at intel.com> <mailto:ravi.subramaniam at intel.com> ,
>>>> "Linesch, Mark" <mark.linesch at hp.com> <mailto:mark.linesch at hp.com> ,
>>>> > "Joel Replogle" <replogle at ogf.org> <mailto:replogle at ogf.org> , "Strong,
>>>> Paul" <pstrong at ebay.com> <mailto:pstrong at ebay.com> ,
>>>> > "Andre Merzky" <andre at merzky.net> <mailto:andre at merzky.net> ,
>>>> "Christopher Smith"
>>>> > <csmith at platform.com> <mailto:csmith at platform.com>
>>>> > Date: 2007/05/10 19:30
>>>> >
>>>>> >> Hiro-san,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks for the follow-up.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Let's just use Financial Services Working Group as the title. I
>>>> > suspect
>>>>> >> we will have much more to discuss and collaborate on besides the API.
>>>>> >> Thanks for the assistance with this.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I also wanted to thank everyone for the assistance yesterday -
>>>>> >> especially Bob for pulling this together. I think it was a good
>>>>> >> kick-off and I am sure we were all surprised by the attendance!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks again,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Shawn
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Shawn P. Findlan, Executive Director
>>>>> >> MorganStanley - Strategic Engineering & Architecture | 750 Seventh
>>>> > Ave,
>>>>> >> 15th Floor
>>>>> >> E: shawn.findlan at morganstanley.com | P: 212.762.3046 | C: 203.554.6107
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >> From: Hiro Kishimoto [mailto:hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com]
>>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 6:23 AM
>>>>> >> To: bcohen at bway.net
>>>>> >> Cc: Findlan, Shawn (IT); Adam Vile; Dolan, Andrew ;
>>>> > chris.swan at csfb.com;
>>>>> >> Swan, Chris (IT R&D); Chris Allison; Steve Crumb; 'Cheryl Doninger';
>>>>> >> Subramaniam, Ravi; Linesch, Mark; Joel Replogle; Strong, Paul; Andre
>>>>> >> Merzky; Christopher Smith
>>>>> >> Subject: Financial services API Working Group BoF
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi Shawn,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> As we discussed after the workshop on Wednesday.
>>>>> >> Robert and I are very glad to shepherd your group to start and run
>>>> > using
>>>>> >> Open Grid Forum's infrastructure and facility.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Could you give me a (tentative) group name, e.g. Financial Services
>>>> > API
>>>>> >> working group (FSA-WG)?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Once I got a name, I will ask Joel Replogle, Manager of Standards,
>>>>> >> to set up mailing list (FSA-BoF at ogf.org) and document archive
>>>>> >> (GridForge Project Page) for you.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks,
>>>>> >> ----
>>>>> >> Hiro Kishimoto
>>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >>
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