[fs-bof] Financial services API Working Group BoF
Hiro Kishimoto
hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com
Mon May 14 02:24:09 CDT 2007
Hi Adam,
I agree we should discuss these topics in the first place.
> why the OGF are quite so keen to
> take ownership and control of this process, or what benefit this will
> bring to the initiative. To make a compelling case this needs to be
> clear.
Although "own and control" sound too strong to me but there are
several good reasons why OGF wants to work with London Group closely.
- "Grid adoption" is OGF's primary mission
- OGF needs the other related APIs align with your API.
- Financial Services is the excellent early adopter and OGF would
use this as role model for other vertical domains.
Thanks,
-----
Hiro Kishimoto
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re:[fs-bof] Financial services API Working Group BoF
From: Adam Vile <adam.vile at excelian.com>
To: hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com, fs-bof at ogf.org, john.barr at intel.com
Date: 2007/05/14 15:51
> Hiro
>
> Many thanks.
>
> While I understand the benefits to the London group of making use of the
> existing.OGF frameworks I am not clear why the OGF are quite so keen to
> take ownership and control of this process, or what benefit this will
> bring to the initiative. To make a compelling case this needs to be clear.
>
> I will pass on your email to the interested parties, and at the next
> meeting will invite them to consider the ogf offer.
>
> From my perspective it always helps to have someone else do the admin!!
>
> Regards
>
> Adam
> --------------------------
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fs-bof-bounces at ogf.org <fs-bof-bounces at ogf.org>
> To: fs-bof at ogf.org <fs-bof at ogf.org>
> Sent: Sun May 13 11:52:29 2007
> Subject: Re: [fs-bof] Financial services API Working Group BoF
>
> Hi Adam,
>
> Thank you very much for your excellent presentation at the workshop
> and thoughtful opinions on financial services activities.
>
> Although OGF has set-up a BoF mailing, it is *not* a formal working
> group yet. Bird-of-feather (BoF) is a vehicle for gauging interest
> and readiness of the group.
>
> It is very possible to use private consortia in London to define FS
> API (at least version 1.0), since they already start working, it can
> be the fastest way.
>
> However, I think they can get the following benefits from OGF:
> - Utilize multiple technical expertises in Grid Computing, they can
> use a part of existing API specification if they like.
> - Save time to establish IPR agreement by using existing ones.
> - Leverage OGF's recognition of well-known established open standards
> development organization.
>
> Thanks,
> ----
> Hiro Kishimoto
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re:Financial services API Working Group BoF
> From: Adam Vile <adam.vile at excelian.com>
> To: bcohen at bway.net
> Cc: "Dolan, Andrew " <andrew.dolan at citi.com>, chris.swan at csfb.com,
> "Swan, Chris (IT R&D)" <chris.swan at credit-suisse.com>, "Chris Allison"
> <chris.allison at citihub.com>, "Steve Crumb" <scrumb at ogf.org>, "Findlan,
> Shawn (IT)" <Shawn.Findlan at morganstanley.com>, "Cheryl Doninger"
> <Cheryl.Doninger at sas.com>, "Subramaniam, Ravi"
> <ravi.subramaniam at intel.com>, "Linesch, Mark" <mark.linesch at hp.com>,
> "Joel Replogle" <replogle at ogf.org>, "Strong, Paul" <pstrong at ebay.com>,
> "Andre Merzky" <andre at merzky.net>, "Christopher Smith"
> <csmith at platform.com>, "Barr, John" <john.barr at intel.com>, "Hiro
> Kishimoto" <hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com>
> Date: 2007/05/11 18:36
>
> > Many thanks for organising the meeting with the OGF. I wanted to clarify
> > the discussion and state what I think are the actions.
> >
> > As you know there is an active group in London made up of vendors and
> > customers looking at the possibility of establishing a standard API for
> > Financial applications. This is being run by John Barr of Intel. At the
> > last meeting the group made it clear that this is a pragmatic initiative
> > and is to be driven through use cases. The aim has always to feed back
> > the results to the OGF for standardisation work if appropriate. There is
> > a resistance to using the OGF framework based around poor experiences
> > with standards in general. The principle of this group is that the
> > ownership of this process should be with the users, not with a standards
> > body, but the project should contribute to the community through,
> > perhaps, standards.
> >
> > I took away the action from our meeting on Wednesday to discuss with the
> > group the offer of the OGF to facilitate and provide a framework for the
> > discussion.
> >
> > There was also the action to create a US focussed group with similar
> > aims, and to share across both groups. I was not under the impression
> > that this would result in the creation of a separate OGF working group.
> > I think it is important to ensure that London and US groups are able to
> > work together in an agile and flexible way.
> >
> > The London group meeting is at the end of may and I will feed back to
> > this mail list after the meeting on the action above. I don't think we
> > should move too fast to create too many structures before having input
> > from the existing London group.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> > Dr Adam Vile
> > Head of Grid, HPC and Technical Computing
> > Excelian LTD
> > 50 Featherstone Street, London, EC1Y 8RT
> > Tel: +44 (0)207 336 9595
> > Mobile: +44 (0)7919 050976
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hiro Kishimoto [mailto:hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com]
> > Sent: 10 May 2007 13:11
> > To: Findlan, Shawn (IT)
> > Cc: bcohen at bway.net; Adam Vile; Dolan, Andrew ; chris.swan at csfb.com;
> > Swan, Chris (IT R&D); Chris Allison; Steve Crumb; Cheryl Doninger;
> > Subramaniam, Ravi; Linesch, Mark; Joel Replogle; Strong, Paul; Andre
> > Merzky; Christopher Smith
> > Subject: Re: Financial services API Working Group BoF
> >
> > Hi Shawn,
> >
> > > Let's just use Financial Services Working Group as the title. I
> > > suspect we will have much more to discuss and collaborate on besides
> > > the API.
> >
> > That's fine, let's call it "Financial Services Working Group" and set
> > API spec as its first goal.
> >
> > Next step is write up a WG charter draft.
> >
> > Shawn: Please fill in the following on-line charter page. You need
> > GridForge account to fill this page.
> >
> > - http://www.ggf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?new
> >
> > The following is an example of charter documents of exiting WGs.
> > - http://www.ggf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?review&group=rus-wg
> <http://www.ggf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?review&group=rus-wg>
> >
> > Joel: can you set up mailing list (FS-BoF at ogf.org) and document archive
> > (GridForge Project Page,
> > https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/fs-bof/) for Shawn?
> > It is still in the air but I guess FS-WG can be under
> > Application Area.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -----
> > Hiro Kishimoto
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re:Financial services API Working Group BoF
> > From: Findlan, Shawn (IT) <Shawn.Findlan at morganstanley.com>
> > To: Hiro Kishimoto <hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com>, bcohen at bway.net
> > Cc: "Adam Vile" <adam.vile at excelian.com>, "Dolan, Andrew "
> > <andrew.dolan at citi.com>, chris.swan at csfb.com, "Swan, Chris (IT R&D)"
> > <chris.swan at credit-suisse.com>, "Chris Allison"
> > <chris.allison at citihub.com>, "Steve Crumb" <scrumb at ogf.org>, "Cheryl
> > Doninger" <Cheryl.Doninger at sas.com>, "Subramaniam, Ravi"
> > <ravi.subramaniam at intel.com>, "Linesch, Mark" <mark.linesch at hp.com>,
> > "Joel Replogle" <replogle at ogf.org>, "Strong, Paul" <pstrong at ebay.com>,
> > "Andre Merzky" <andre at merzky.net>, "Christopher Smith"
> > <csmith at platform.com>
> > Date: 2007/05/10 19:30
> >
> >> Hiro-san,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the follow-up.
> >>
> >> Let's just use Financial Services Working Group as the title. I
> > suspect
> >> we will have much more to discuss and collaborate on besides the API.
> >> Thanks for the assistance with this.
> >>
> >> I also wanted to thank everyone for the assistance yesterday -
> >> especially Bob for pulling this together. I think it was a good
> >> kick-off and I am sure we were all surprised by the attendance!
> >>
> >> Thanks again,
> >>
> >> Shawn
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Shawn P. Findlan, Executive Director
> >> MorganStanley - Strategic Engineering & Architecture | 750 Seventh
> > Ave,
> >> 15th Floor
> >> E: shawn.findlan at morganstanley.com | P: 212.762.3046 | C: 203.554.6107
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Hiro Kishimoto [mailto:hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 6:23 AM
> >> To: bcohen at bway.net
> >> Cc: Findlan, Shawn (IT); Adam Vile; Dolan, Andrew ;
> > chris.swan at csfb.com;
> >> Swan, Chris (IT R&D); Chris Allison; Steve Crumb; 'Cheryl Doninger';
> >> Subramaniam, Ravi; Linesch, Mark; Joel Replogle; Strong, Paul; Andre
> >> Merzky; Christopher Smith
> >> Subject: Financial services API Working Group BoF
> >>
> >> Hi Shawn,
> >>
> >> As we discussed after the workshop on Wednesday.
> >> Robert and I are very glad to shepherd your group to start and run
> > using
> >> Open Grid Forum's infrastructure and facility.
> >>
> >> Could you give me a (tentative) group name, e.g. Financial Services
> > API
> >> working group (FSA-WG)?
> >>
> >> Once I got a name, I will ask Joel Replogle, Manager of Standards,
> >> to set up mailing list (FSA-BoF at ogf.org) and document archive
> >> (GridForge Project Page) for you.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> ----
> >> Hiro Kishimoto
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
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