[DFDL-WG] Call minutes for 2024-04-18

[Mike Beckerle]

Yes, other than myself and Steve Hanson, Bradd Kadelcik of IBM is quite
active. The European Space Agency people are not highly active, but pop up
now and then.

On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 10:24 AM Sill, Alan <Alan.Sill at ttu.edu> wrote:

> Okay, done. You should have access now to a private repository in the
> OpenGridForum space called ISO-PAS-process that has a folder in it called
> DFDL-ISO-Process, which I moved from the DFDL repository in favor of this
> one.
>
> Let me know if any difficulties crop up.
>
> Alan
>
> P.S.: Are there any other current DFDL group members besides you and Steve?
>
> On Apr 18, 2024, at 3:26 PM, Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle at apache.org> wrote:
>
> +1 for create a separate private repo from me.
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 3:54 PM Sill, Alan <Alan.Sill at ttu.edu> wrote:
>
>> We're still proceeding on the assumption that new versions or revisions
>> to the spec will be developed under OGF, and only when ready for submission
>> to ISO would we go to them with a new version. But I do think we should
>> respect their restrictions regarding not making the ISO-published versions
>> publicly accessible. So we should create a private repository for the
>> restricted documents to keep them off of the public Internet, but I don't
>> see any need for other adjustments yet.
>>
>> Does this sound like a good approach?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> On Apr 18, 2024, at 2:49 PM, Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle at apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, reconciling the OGF processes with any ISO requirements is a
>> next step, as is updating various pages to call out the ISO/PAS
>> relationship and correspondence of GFD.240 with ISO/IEC 23415:2024.
>>
>> re: "given the ISO restrictions" you are referring to the limited access
>> restrictions on the proof copy of the spec? Or something else?
>>
>> If you think any OGF working docs pre-drafts we create can be public, but
>> ISO-flavor-thereof should not be (for brand protection or just control
>> reasons), then yes we need a private repo for that.
>>
>> There's more issues like this. On the DFDL call today on our agenda is
>> always the statement that everything must follow the OGF Intellectual
>> Property rules, but that raises the concern of how does that need to evolve
>> for us to smoothly interoperate with ISO also? Does the reminder statement
>> need to change? As part of setting up OGF as a PAS submitter I am sure you
>> guys worked through a bunch of this stuff. We need the short course on your
>> conclusions from that analysis. (If this is written up anywhere I can RTFM)
>>
>> I think the w3c pas faq is helpful: https://www.w3.org/2010/04/pasfaq
>> We need something like this.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 12:56 PM Sill, Alan <Alan.Sill at ttu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Good day Mike,
>>>
>>> OGF's processes are public, but given the ISO restrictions, should we
>>> make a private repository on GitHub and move the ISO-process folder in
>>> that? You can then share access to that to the DFDL group only. (I believe
>>> the current DFDL repository is public.)
>>>
>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> On Apr 18, 2024, at 11:45 AM, Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle at apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
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>>> Call minutes are here:
>>> https://github.com/OpenGridForum/DFDL/blob/master/calls/2024/2024-04-18_DFDL-WG-Call.md
>>>
>>> A proof-copy of the ISO version of the DFDL spec is here:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/OpenGridForum/DFDL/blob/master/ISO-process/ISO_IEC%2023415_2024%20ed.1%20-%20id.87444%20Publication%20PDF%20(en)-ASill-MBeckerle.pdf
>>>
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