[DFDL-WG] Fw: Action 233 (deferred) - "byte order not sufficient..." - draft document on experience with binary format MIL-STD-2045
Steve Hanson
smh at uk.ibm.com
Mon Jul 14 07:07:32 EDT 2014
Mike, some further responses in-line.
Regards
Steve Hanson
Architect, IBM DFDL
Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group
IBM SWG, Hursley, UK
smh at uk.ibm.com
tel:+44-1962-815848
From: Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle.dfdl at gmail.com>
To: Steve Hanson/UK/IBM at IBMGB,
Cc: "dfdl-wg at ogf.org" <dfdl-wg at ogf.org>
Date: 11/07/2014 18:24
Subject: Re: [DFDL-WG] Fw: Action 233 (deferred) - "byte order not
sufficient..." - draft document on experience with binary format
MIL-STD-2045
Thanks for this additional input.
Some further thoughts from IBM on your recommendations, after more
internal discussion here.
Preferable to have dfdl:bitOrder as a separate property rather to handle
it via new dfdl:byteOrder enums. Although new properties pose validation
issues for existing schemas, this should not compromise the language
design. DFDL can choose what bitOrder/byteOrder combinations are
supported.
OK with with new dfdl:byteOrder enum for littleEndianAtomic16Bit though
can we improve the name?
I am absolutely open to suggestions on the name. I adapted this name from
the wikipedia article terminology.
SMH: I would just drop the atomic so littleEndian16Bit
dfdl:encoding has an architected system for extra encodings so
US-ASCII-7-Bit-Packed should be x-US-ASCII-7-Bit-Packed, and the spec
updated to remove specific mention of US-ASCII-7-Bit-Packed.
Thoughts: if there is no support for this 7-bit packed ascii flavor, then
there is no point in having dfdl:bitOrder support. The two go together.
SMH: bitOrder has nothing to do with encoding. I could create a format
with no strings in it and my integers etc could have LSBF bitOrder. So
while in MIL-STD-2045 they might always appear together, that is not
generally true.
So in the section on optional DFDL features would we say this is the
optional feature:
dfdl:bitOrder="leastSignificantBitFirst" and
dfdl:encoding="x-dfdl-us-ascii-7-bit-packed"
Or is there no mention of the encoding?
SMH: They are separate things so there should be no mention of the
encoding.
I raise this because the two really go together. There is no point in
having one without the other, and there needs to be an agreed-upon
standard meaning for x-dfdl-us-ascii-7-bit-packed encoding. So this
x-dfdl-us-ascii-7-bit-packed is a DFDL standard, not an
implementation-defined standard.
SMH: I agree that there needs to be a standard definition for
x-dfdl-us-ascii-7-bit-packed. Its definition is certainly not
implementation-defined, though whether it is supported is. The question is
whether it is defined as part of DFDL 1.0 spec, or whether it is defined
externally. Given that we devolve encoding definitions externally to IANA
and CCSID, it would be more consistent to point at an external definition.
We discussed proposed new dfdl:lengthKind 'fixedLengthOrTerminated'. A
new enum implies that it can be used in any scenario, so the following
need to be specified.
dfdl:terminator must be set and can not be empty string or contain ES on
its own
If xs:string or xs:hexBinary, can maxLength facet be used instead of
dfdl:length? (Suggest no - this is variable length data so min/maxLength
are for validation only).
Can dfdl:length be an expression? (Suggest no unless specific use case
identified)
My use case needs only constants as the maximum, hence enum name contains
"fixed" prefix, not "explicit".
Any special rules for emptyValueDelimiterPolicy and
nilValueDelimiterPolicy ?
Since a terminator must be set, then these cannot be "none" or
"initiator".
SMH: Doesn't follow. Today, if I specify a terminator, it must be present,
modulo EVDP/NVDP. So why is the same not true for the new enum? If we add
a new enum, it has to work in a way that is consistent with other
lengthKinds and not just for MIL-STD-2045 use cases.
Use on complex element. Presumably dfdl:length is first used to extract a
'box' but within that box does parser immediately scan for the
dfdl:terminator or does it descend into the complex type and parse the
children, expecting to either consume all the box or to find the
terminator at the end? (Suggest the latter).
I have no use case that requires this for complex types at all.
Perhaps we can dodge this by having it be simpleFixedLengthOrTerminated,
and restricting it to simple types only. ?
SMH: Perhaps, but that makes this lengthKind enum different from all the
others, and that doesn't seem right.
Use on complex element. Last child can not be dfdl:lengthKind
'endOfParent'.
Scanning rules: Use of this new dfdl:lengthKind switches off any in-scope
stack of terminating markup in force at that point. Put another way, when
we are scanning for the dfdl:terminator, we are not looking for any markup
from an outer scope.
So there's plenty to think about with this new dfdl:lengthKind. A good
rule for deciding whether a new dfdl:length or dfdl:occursCountKind should
be added is whether it bends some other part of the spec out of shape. The
new dfdl:lengthKind looks ok so far.
However we *think* we have come up with an alternative model which is
simpler than you one you state in the document. Example for field 'varstr'
with max length 100:
<xs:sequence dfdl:terminator="{if (fn:str-len(varstr) eq 100) then '%ES;'
else '%DEL'}" ...>
<xs:element name="varstr" type="xs:string"
dfdl:lengthKind="pattern" dfdl:pattern="([^\x7F].\x7F)|(.{100})" ... />
</xs:sequence>
Can't put dfdl:terminator with a self-referencing expression on the
element. Might need fn:exists in the dfdl:terminator expression to handle
optionality. Does that work?
I don't think this will work as %ES isn't allowed in terminators.
There is a proposal to allow it, but only when length kind is such that
one is not scanning for delimiters (same restriction as for WSP*). Let's
assume that we allow %ES for now.
SMH: This has been incorporated as an update to erratum 2.148 and is the
latest spec draft.
One beauty of your idea here is that unparsing will "just work", so that's
nice.
But I think your pattern has a bug: I think it should be
dfdl:pattern="[^\x7F]{0,99}(?=\x7F)| .{100}"
This will not capture more than 99 characters prior to the DEL, and will
not include the DEL as part of the string in the case where a DEL is found
(uses lookahead in regex). Hence, the DEL will be available to be picked
off as the terminator. Without this you end up with the DEL in the
payload.
With that I think your approach would work. So thanks for that idea.
SMH: Yes my pattern was wrong, thanks for correcting.
Perhaps there is an even simpler way to model this, which will work today
puts the conditional logic as a choice.
<choice>
<!-- length kind pattern is needed to bound length to max of 99 -->
<element name="raw1" type="xs:string"
dfdl:lengthKind='pattern'
dfdl:lengthPattern="[^\x7F]{0,99}"
dfdl:terminator="%DEL;"/>
<element name="raw2" type="xs:string"
dfdl:lengthKind="explicit"
dfdl:length="100"/>
</choice>
<element name='value' type='xs:string'
dfdl:inputValueCalc='{ if (fn:exists( ../raw1 ) then ../raw1 else
../raw2 }'/>
We still have to play the hidden group game though to hide raw1 and raw2.
I have to think hard about how to handle a choice like this on unparsing
though. I'm uncertain about how a dfdl:outputValueCalc on raw1 would
conditionally fail, so that raw2 would be the selected output
representation. We can't use an assertion as those aren't evaluated for
unparsing.
SMH: There is no way to make a choice branch fail when unparsing. (The
only 'backtracking' when unparsing a choice is when the infoset contains
no branch at all then the spec states that each branch is examined in turn
until one is found that successfully applies defaults. But that's not
really backtracking, as you can statically deduce the branch from the
schema alone, so the 'default' branch to use can be computed up front).
Steve Hanson
Architect, IBM DFDL
Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group
IBM SWG, Hursley, UK
smh at uk.ibm.com
tel:+44-1962-815848
----- Forwarded by Steve Hanson/UK/IBM on 11/07/2014 13:09 -----
From: Steve Hanson/UK/IBM
To: Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle.dfdl at gmail.com>,
Cc: "dfdl-wg at ogf.org" <dfdl-wg at ogf.org>
Date: 08/07/2014 13:31
Subject: Re: [DFDL-WG] Action 233 (deferred) - "byte order not
sufficient..." - draft document on experience with binary format
MIL-STD-2045
Mike
Please find attached IBM's initial comments to your experience document,
as Word comments. We only got as far as the 3 x required extensions, not
looked at the optional usability stuff in detail yet.
We think we have our collective heads around the least significant bit
ordering concept, but we think the explanation could be clearer and show
the bits on-the-wire. Some debate as to whether this could be considered
some variation of byteOrder but you've obviously thought this through and
concluded a separate property is best. Also should bit order apply to text
reps, given that byteOrder is binary rep only and any byte ordering
variations in encodings are handled as separate encodings (eg, UTF-16LE
and UTF-16BE).
Regarding the US-ASCII-7-Bit-Packed encoding enum, this was added via
erratum previously using the idea of DFDL-specific named encoding. But we
are thinking that this could have been handled as an x- encoding, rather
than specifically adding it to the spec. And thinking further on that
same thread, should byteOrder be made to work like encoding and allow x-
enums, then the new byteOrder would become a x- enum. The Wikipedia
article you cite on Endianness mentions other byte orders (eg,
Middle-Endian, PDP-Endian).
Regards
Steve Hanson
Architect, IBM DFDL
Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group
IBM SWG, Hursley, UK
smh at uk.ibm.com
tel:+44-1962-815848
From: Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle.dfdl at gmail.com>
To: "dfdl-wg at ogf.org" <dfdl-wg at ogf.org>,
Date: 24/06/2014 20:27
Subject: [DFDL-WG] Action 233 (deferred) - "byte order not
sufficient..." - draft document on experience with binary format
MIL-STD-2045
Sent by: dfdl-wg-bounces at ogf.org
I have created an experience document about the "bit order" issue, which
was a deferred action 233, and the subject of a public comment.
The document is here: http://redmine.ogf.org/dmsf_files/13268. The public
comment item is http://redmine.ogf.org/boards/15/topics/43.
It recommends a new dfdl:bitOrder property, and a new dfdl:byteOrder enum
value, without which it is impossible to model these data formats. It also
recommends several other improvements to DFDL to facilitate handling
these data formats.
The formats in question are a variety of MIL-STD formats which are all
densely packed binary data. These formats are in broad use. MIL-STD-2045
is one part of this family and this particular format specification is
generally available without any restrictions from a US DoD web site (
http://assistdocs.com) so I made this specific format the subject of the
document as it illustrates all the problematic issues.
We have implemented the dfdl:bitOrder property in Daffodil, and it works
with some useful tests now passing.
We have also enhanced our TDML implementation to enable creation of tests
for this feature (and in the process actually found two bugs in the
MIL-STD-2045 spec!).
Both the property and this TDML enhancement are described in the document.
The sponsors of the Daffodil project are extremely keen to get this needed
binary support into the DFDL v1.0 standard so as to have multiple DFDL
implementations support it.
...mikeb
Mike Beckerle | OGF DFDL Workgroup Co-Chair | Tresys Technology |
www.tresys.com
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