[DFDL-WG] proposed clarification/narrowing - delimited binary data should decimal

[Steve Hanson]

Ratified on WG call 4th Sept 2012.

Regards

Steve Hanson
Architect, Data Format Description Language (DFDL)
Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group
IBM SWG, Hursley, UK
smh at uk.ibm.com
tel:+44-1962-815848



From:   Tim Kimber/UK/IBM at IBMGB
To:     Steve Hanson/UK/IBM at IBMGB
Cc:     dfdl-wg at ogf.org, dfdl-wg-bounces at ogf.org
Date:   21/08/2012 14:15
Subject:        Re: [DFDL-WG] proposed clarification/narrowing - delimited 
binary data should decimal
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re:  "If we are in agreement then we need to take an errata on section 12 
and particularly section 12.3.8 to allow xs:hexBinary to have lengthKind 
'delimited'. " 

I agree 

regards,

Tim Kimber, Common Transformation Team,
Hursley, UK
Internet:  kimbert at uk.ibm.com
Tel. 01962-816742 
Internal tel. 246742




From:        Steve Hanson/UK/IBM at IBMGB 
To:        Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle.dfdl at gmail.com> 
Cc:        dfdl-wg at ogf.org, dfdl-wg-bounces at ogf.org 
Date:        20/08/2012 03:04 
Subject:        Re: [DFDL-WG] proposed clarification/narrowing - delimited 
binary data should decimal 
Sent by:        dfdl-wg-bounces at ogf.org 



Mike 

The correct title of this proposal is "proposed relaxation - delimited 
binary data should be packed or BCD or BLOB" 

Section 12.3.8 states what binary reps can be used with lengthKind 
'delimited'.  It explicitly lists just 'packed' and 'bcd'. Therefore 
binary numbers with binaryNumberRep 'binary', binary calendars with 
binaryCalendarRep 'binarySeconds' and 'binaryMilliseconds',  binary floats 
and doubles, binary booleans and xs:hexBinary are disallowed today.   

The binary calendar reps are always treated with fixed length of 4 and 8 
respectively, so no point in making them variable length. 
All binary floats have length 4 and all binary doubles have length 8 so no 
point in making them variable length. 

I am ok with being conservative and continuing to disallow binaryNumberRep 
'binary'. As you say we can open this up in future. 
Same for  binary booleans. 

I agree that xs:hexBinary should be allowed to have lengthKind 
'delimited'. It will be too restrictive to only allow BLOB data to have a 
specified length, or to be bounded by parent. This is shown by IBM 4690 
point-of-sale data streams which contain instances of variable length 
delimited BLOBs. 

If we are in agreement then we need to take an errata on section 12 and 
particularly section 12.3.8 to allow xs:hexBinary to have lengthKind 
'delimited'. 

Regards

Steve Hanson
Architect, Data Format Description Language (DFDL)
Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group
IBM SWG, Hursley, UK
smh at uk.ibm.com
tel:+44-1962-815848 



From:        Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle.dfdl at gmail.com> 
To:        dfdl-wg at ogf.org 
Date:        14/08/2012 19:44 
Subject:        [DFDL-WG] proposed clarification/narrowing - delimited 
binary data        should be decimal 
Sent by:        dfdl-wg-bounces at ogf.org 




The spec allows lengthKind='delimited' for binary data.

For calendar types, it allows only 'bcd' and 'packed' binaryCalendarRep.

There is no such restriction for integer types, so those can also be 
'binary' aka twos-complement.

We should be consistent. Either we allow binaryCalendarRep='binary', or we 
disallow binaryNumberRep='binary'.

I propose we disallow binaryNumberRep='binary'. Rationale: conservative 
choice. We could open it up later if there was reason to do so, but we 
can't easily restrict it later if we find it problematic.

This leaves only hexBinary as the exception. Elements of type hexBinary 
can have lengthKind='delimited', and the schema author simply has to 
understand what byte pattern is usable as a delimiter.

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