[DFDL-WG] new action item needed: DFDL URN specification
Steve Hanson
smh at uk.ibm.com
Mon Oct 29 11:37:05 EDT 2012
Using the OGF's URN registration document [GFD.191] as a reference, I
suggest:
Type
URL
Proposed URN
common root
urn:ogf:dfdl
xmlns attribute
http://www.ogf.org/dfdl/dfdl-1.0/
urn:ogf:dfdl:2011
source attribute
http://www.ogf.org/dfdl/
urn:ogf:dfdl
[GFD.191] http://www.ogf.org/documents/GFD.191.pdf
Regards
Steve Hanson
Architect, Data Format Description Language (DFDL)
Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group
IBM SWG, Hursley, UK
smh at uk.ibm.com
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From: Suman Kalia <kalia at ca.ibm.com>
To: Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle.dfdl at gmail.com>,
Cc: dfdl-wg at ogf.org, dfdl-wg-bounces at ogf.org
Date: 25/10/2012 17:15
Subject: Re: [DFDL-WG] new action item needed: DFDL URN
specification
Sent by: dfdl-wg-bounces at ogf.org
I tend to agree that specifying urn for namespaces is better choice and
URL should be used for schema locations; however convention of specifying
URL for namespaces is long established some implementations use the
namespace URL to return the actual schema. When I try to access the
namespace URL for XML schema , it gives me reference to the document but
not schema..
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From: Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle.dfdl at gmail.com>
To: dfdl-wg at ogf.org,
Date: 10/25/2012 08:18 AM
Subject: Re: [DFDL-WG] new action item needed: DFDL URN
specification
Sent by: dfdl-wg-bounces at ogf.org
I wanted to add to this discussion the w3c blog page that highlights the
problem of the http-based naming scheme. There are many articles about
this, this is just one of them.
http://www.w3.org/blog/systeam/2008/02/08/w3c_s_excessive_dtd_traffic/
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle.dfdl at gmail.com>
wrote:
Introduction:
Using URLs as identifiers has caused no end of problems. E.g., in DFDL we
have http://www.ogf.org/dfdl/dfdl-1.0/ as an identifier. W3C has
http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema and others.
W3C has badly regretted establishing this convention, as they have farms
of servers that do nothing but quickly return 404 errors to save
network-aware applications the network-timeout delay that would otherwise
occur.
There are parties interested in exploiting DFDL who want DFDL schemas to
NOT contain network URLs because it simply creates a concern about network
access whenever a DFDL schema is inspected/used.
Pre-Proposal:
The new way to do this is with URNs which would look roughly like this:
urn:ogf:dfdl:standard:dfdl-1.0. The whole point is that some other
mechanism is used to establish correspondences between these and any
resources in file systems, networks, or built-in to implementations. One
such mechanism is called XML Catalog.
The point is that it is a name in a managed namespace which cannot be
confused with a network protocol URL.
OGF is already establishing urn:ogf, and an ogf subgroup has already
proposed urn:ogf:network for network resources. DFDL schemas aren't
network resources so we don't want to be a substructure underneath
network.
Some other mechanism is used to establish correspondences between these
and any resources in file systems, networks, or built-in to
implementations. One such mechanism is called XML Catalog.
Summary:
An action item should be to specify DFDL urn, submit to OGF as a proposed
namespace, and then produce errata/spec changes to specify its use.
This requires a small design activity to specify a scheme for the
sub-structure of the DFDL URNs (i.e., scheme for the stuff after
urn:ogf:dfdl:...) where we want standard identifiers for versions of the
standard, but we probably also want a few other things (e.g., I would like
a space for implementations to identify themselves, i.e., an
implementation-specific sub-area within our URNs.)
Our existing URLs can be compatible (deprecated) practice vs the preferred
URNs.
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Mike Beckerle | OGF DFDL WG Co-Chair
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