[DFDL-WG] Minutes for OGF DFDL Working Group Call, November-25-2009
Steve Hanson
smh at uk.ibm.com
Fri Nov 27 03:43:16 CST 2009
Three things:
1) I thought we had decided to limit dfdl:discriminator to choices?
Apologies if I didn't keep up with the discussion.
2) I don't think we got the rules right for
dfdl:separatorPolicy="required" and arrays. Yes, separators must be
output for all items, but 'all' depends on dfdl:occursCountKind and not
just maxOccurs. In fact, the only time that maxOccurs has significance
when parsing/unparsing is when dfdl:occursCountKind="fixed" - and in that
case maxOccurs can not be unbounded. It should therefore not be a schema
definition error when maxOccurs="unbounded" &
dfdl:separatorPolicy="required".
occursCountKind
Enum
Specifies how the actual number of occurrences is to be established.
Valid values 'fixed', ‘expression’, 'parsed’ ,‘stopValue’ or
‘useAvailableSpace’
‘fixed’ means use the value of the maxOccurs on the declaration. It is a
schema definition error if the value for minOccurs is not equal to
maxOccurs.
‘expression’ means use the value of the dfdl:occursCount property.
'parsed' means that the number of occurences is determined by normal
speculative parsing such as discriminating by the initiator.
‘useAvailableSpace’ means the occurrences fill the available space which
is limited by a containing construct.
‘stopValue’ means look for a logical stop value which signifies the end of
the occurrences.
Annotation: dfdl:element
3) I think the dfdl:occursCountKind entry needs beefing up to address
explicitly the parsing and unparsing behaviour for each enum. I know some
of this stuff is elsewhere but I think it should also be here for clarity.
Here's my first pass. I have highlighted where I'd like WG
clarification.
occursCountKind
Enum
Specifies how the actual number of occurrences is to be established.
Valid values 'fixed', ‘expression’, 'parsed’ ,‘stopValue’ or
‘useAvailableSpace’
‘fixed’. Use the value of maxOccurs on the element declaration. It is a
schema definition error if the value for minOccurs is not equal to
maxOccurs. On parsing, maxOccurs are expected. On unparsing, maxOccurs are
output.
‘expression’ means use the value of the dfdl:occursCount property. On
parsing, dfdl:occursCount are expected. On unparsing, dfdl:occursCount are
output.
'parsed' means that the number of occurences is determined by the data
itself. On parsing, this is established using normal speculative parsing
such as discriminating by the initiator. On unparsing, all infoset items
are output.
‘useAvailableSpace’ means the occurrences fill the available space which
is limited by a containing construct. On parsing, this is established
using normal parsing rules. On unparsing, infoset items are output until
the available space is exhausted or no items remain.
‘stopValue’ means use the value(s) of the dfdl:occursStopValue property.
On parsing, look for a logical stop value which signifies the end of the
occurrences. On unparsing, all infoset items are output followed by a
logical stop value. The stop value does not appear in the infoset, and
does not contribute to the occurrences count.
On parsing and unparsing, after default rules are applied, it is a
processing error if the number of occurrences does not lie between
minOccurs and maxOccurs inclusive.
On unparsing, it is a processing error if items remain in the infoset
after the designated occurrences have been output.
Annotation: dfdl:element
Regards
Steve Hanson
Programming Model Architect, WebSphere Message Brokers,
OGF DFDL WG Co-Chair,
Hursley, UK,
Internet: smh at uk.ibm.com,
Phone (+44)/(0) 1962-815848
From:
Alan Powell/UK/IBM at IBMGB
To:
dfdl-wg at ogf.org
Date:
26/11/2009 16:59
Subject:
[DFDL-WG] Minutes for OGF DFDL Working Group Call, November-25-2009
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Open Grid Forum: Data Format Description Language Working Group
OGF DFDL Working Group Call, November-25-2009
Attendees
Suman Kalia (IBM)
Steve Hanson (IBM)
Mike Beckerle (Oco)
Alan Powell (IBM)
Steve Marting (Progeny)
Peter Lambros (IBM)
Tim Kimber(IBM)
Apologies
Stephanie Fetzer (IBM)
1. 045 Resolving points of uncertainty - Disciminators
Continued discussion of semantics of discriminators and arrays.
Briefly reviewed Alan's update of the example to show discriminators only
propagating to their parent. Flet that following WTX example was the best
approach. IBM will more fully document WTX behaviour.
Discussed whether discriminators should only resolve choices but decided
against as they are valuable to, for example, find an optional element
that subsequently has a parsing error.
Also discussed that discriminators should only resolve the element they
are defined on and whether that meant paths were not needed. Decided paths
were needed for other purposes anyway.
Alan noted that the order of evaluation had not been defined for floating
elements. Agreed this should be
- the element in that position
- followed by the floating elements in the order they are defined in the
schema.
2. 045 - parsing rules for determining length
Discussed Tim's suggestion that dfdl:lengthKind alone should indicate how
an item is extracted from the data
explicit
The parser extracts a fixed number of characters/bytes from the input
document as directed by dfdl:length ( which may be a DFDL expression, and
may resolve to the value of the previous sibling )
prefixed
The parser extracts a fixed number of characters/bytes from the input
document as directed by the prefix length. Note the similarity with the
DFDL expression scenario above.
implicit
The parser extracts a fixed number of characters/bytes from the input
document as directed by the implicit length of the element.
delimited
The parser extracts from the input document all characters between the
current buffer position and the next unescaped item of in-scope
terminating markup.
pattern
The parser extracts from the input document all characters which match the
specified pattern
endOfParent.
The parser extracts from the input document all remaining characters/bytes
allowed by the representation properties of its parent groups/elements.
The terminating markup is only scanned for when lengtkind is 'delimited'
and 'EndOfParent' when the end of the parent is delineated by markup.
This means that for formats such as the Swift 52A segment that
distinguishes fields according to the length of data found, the lengthKind
is delimited rather than explicit and a dfdl:assert is needed to test the
length.
dfdl:length is only examined when dfdl:lengthKind is explicit.
It was agreed to change the function names of dfdl:length to
dfdl:representationLength and dfdl:lengthWithoutPadding to
RepresentationLengthWithoutParsing to avoid confusion with the XPATH
length. function.
Didn't discuss if this changes escaping rules.
3. SeparatorPolicy=require and defaulting arrays and sequences
Discussed the semantics of dfdl:separatorPolicy with variable length
arrays. Agreed that the behaviour should be the same for arrays as for
sequences.
'supressAtEnd' - separators must be output up to the last required item.
That is up to the xs:minOccurs of a variable array. For simple items a
default value will be output for missing required items.
'required' - separators must be output for all items. That is up to
xs:maxOccurs. It is a schema definition error if required and
xs:maxOccurs= unbounded is specified.
'supress' - separators are not output for missing items but for arrays
there are no missing items so this is the same as dfdl:supressAtEnd.
Note: a group is always 'required' so at least one member must be present.
However a group could be wrapped in an element which could be optional.
4. Clarification of postfix separators,
terminators,finalTerminatorCanBeMissing
Agreed to postpone to next call due to lack of time.
5. Go through remaining actions
Updated below
6. Test suite for DFDL
DFDL will be much more usable if it is accompanied by a set of tests that
provide dfdl schema, sample data and expected results. IBM will
investigate whether it will be possible to publish the format of the test
cases that it is developing.
7. OGF28 Call for papers
Steve H has sent a request for a slot in the agenda
8. Plan to finish DFDL v1
MB agreed to investigate the tool available on gridforge for tracking
problems with the spec. Agreed to start using this after version 37.
Meeting closed, 15:10
Next call 02 December 13:00 UK
Next action: 068
Actions raised at this meeting
No
Action
066
Investigate format for defining test cases
IBM to see if it is possible to publish its test case format.
067
Investigate problem tracking tools.
Current Actions:
No
Action
012
AP/SH: Update decimalCalendarScheme
10/9: Not allocated yet
17/9: No update
24/9: Add calendar binary formats to actions
22/10: No progress
16/1: proposal distributed and discussed. Will be redistributed
21/1: add locale,
04/02: changed from locale to specific properties
18/2: Need more investigation of ICU strict/lax behaviour.
08/04: Not discussed
22/04: AP to complete asap once the ICU strict/lax behaviour is
understood.
29/04: No progress
06/05: No progress
13/05: Calendar has been added to latest spec version v034 but still a few
details to clarify.
20/05: No Progress
...
09/06: No Progress (low priority)
17/06: SH to check ICU code for lax calendar behaviour
24/06: no progress
...
12/08: no progress
19/08: Inconsistencies are being found in ICU behaviour so Calendars need
reviewing again.
26/08: Specific three character short time zones may not be maintained
during round tripping when there is more than one short form for a time
zone offset. Because dates and datetimes in the infoset only maintain a
time zone offset so on unparsing it isn't possible to say which short form
will be selected for a particular offset when there is more than one
possible. Need to document.
09/09: no progress
...
14/10: no progress
21/10: Will produce a list of known issues.
28/10: Discussed ICU farctional seconds behaviour. SF to send latest
understanding.
04/11: no progress
11/11: no update
18/11: no update
25/11: no update
037
All: Approach for XML Schema 1.0 UPA checks.
22/04: Several non-XML models, when expressed in their most obvious DFDL
Schema form, would fail XML Schema 1.0 Unique Particle Attribution checks
that police model ambiguity. And even re-jigging the model sometimes
fails to fix this. Note this is equally applicable to XMl Schema 1.1 and
1.0. While the DFDL parser/unparser can happily resolve the ambiguities,
the issue is one of definition. If an XSD editor that implements UPA
checks is used to create DFDL Schema, then errors will be flagged. DFDL
may have to adopt the position that:
a)DFDL parser/unparser will not implement some/all UPA checks (exact
checks tbd)
b) XML Schema editors that implement UPA checks will not be suitable for
all DFDL models
c) If DFDL annotations are removed, the resulting pure XSD will not always
be valid (ie, the equivalent XML is ambiguous and can't be modelled by XML
Schema 1.0)
Ongoing in case another solution can be found.
29/04: Will ask DG and S Gao for opinion before closing
06/05: Discussed S Gao email and suggestions. Decided need to review all
XML UPA rules and decide which apply to dfdl.
20/05: SH or SKK to investigate
27/05: No Progress
03/06: The concern is that some dfdl schemas will fail UPA check when
validation is turned on or when editted using tooling that enforces UPA
checks. Renaming fields will resolve some/most issues. Need documentation
that describes issue and best practice.
17/06: no change
24/06: no change
01/07: no progress
...
12/08: No Progress (lower priority)
19/08: Clarify that this action is to go through the XML UPA checks to
assess impact on dfdl schemas and advice best practice. Name clashes is
just one example. SH or SKK
26/08: No Progress (lower priority)
09/09: no progress
...
04/11: no progress
11/11: Steve has started to look at this. He has requested a 'consumable'
definition of the UPA rules from the XSD WG members. Even non-normative
Appendix H in the XSD 1.0 spec is hard to consume.
18/11: no update
25/11: Steve H has not found simpler definition so may just go through
them.
045
20/05 AP: Speculative Parsing
27/05: Psuedo code has been circulated. Review for next call
03/06: Comments received and will be incorporated
09/06: Progress but not discussed
17/06: Discussed briefly
24/06: No Progress
01/07: No Progress
15/07: No progress. MB not happy with the way the algorithm is documented,
need to find a better way.
29/07: No Progress
05/08: No Progress. Will document behaviour as a set of rules.
12/08: No Progress
...
16/09: no progress
30/09: AP distributed proposal and others commented. Brief discussion AP
to incorporate update and reissue
07/10: Updated proposal was discussed.Comments will be incorporated into
the next version.
14/10: Alan to update proposal to include array scenario where minOccurs >
0
21/10: Updated proposal reviewed
28/10: Updated proposal reviewed see minutes
04/11: Discussed semantics of disciminators on arrays. MB to produce
examples
11/11: Absorbing action 033 into 045. Maybe decorated discrminator kinds
are needed after all. MB and SF to continue with examples.
18/11: Went through WTX implementation of example. SF to gather more
documentation about WTX discriminator rules.
25/11: Further discussion. Will get more WTX documentation. Need to
confirm that no changes need to Resolving Uncertainty doc.
049
20/05 AP Built-in specification description and schemas
03/06: not discussed
24/06: No Progress
24/06: No Progress (hope to get these from test cases)
15/07: No progress. Once available, the examples in the spec should use
the dfdl:defineFormat annotations they provide.
...
14/10: no progress
21/10: Discussed the real need for this being in the specification. It
seemed that the main value is it define a schema location for downloading
'known' defaults from the web.
28/10: no progress
04/11: no progress
11/11: no update
18/11: no update
25/11: Agreed to try to produce for CSV and fixed formats
056
MB Resolve lengthUnits=bits including fillbytes
12/08: No Progress
...
28/10: no progress
04/11: MB to look at lengthUnits = bits
11/11: no update
18/11: no update
25/11: no update
063
Write DFDL primer and test cases.
11/11: no update
25/11: no update
064
MB/SH Request WG presentation at OGF 28
25/11: Session requested
065
Resolve parsing rules for various lengthKinds
25/11: Agreed dfdl:lengthKind define how to extract the data. Didn'r
t discuss if this changes escaping.
066
Investigate format for defining test cases
25/11:IBM to see if it is possible to publish its test case format.
067
25/11:Investigate problem tracking tools.
Closed actions
No
Action
Work items:
No
Item
target version
status
005
Improvements on property descriptions
not started
011
How speculative parsing works (combining choice and variable-occurence -
currently these are separate) (from action 045)
awaiting completion of actions 045
012
Reordering the properties discussion: move representation earlier, improve
flow of topics
not started
033
Numeric data - what physical reps are allowed for what logical types (from
action 020)
037
ensure all behaviour documented
036
Update dfdl schema with change properties
ongoing
038
Improve length section including bit handling
some improvement in 036
042
Mapping of the DFDL infoset to XDM
none
not required for V1 specification
051
Revised scoping rules (from action 051)
037
058
textPadCharacter %#rxx limitation and split to textxxxxPadCharacter
037
059
limit terminatorCanBeMissing to last element in schema. Ignore elsewhere.
037
060
New empty string semantic for dfdl:binaryBooleanTrueRep
037
061
Change maxOccurs violations from processing error to validation error (if
not 'fixed')
037
062
Drop calendarUseZForUTC. describe zU, IU and TU symbols
037
063
DefineFormat can contain only one active format. Drop baseFormat
037
064
Define how encoding, byteorder and floating point format externally
037
065
Refactor dfdl:textNumberFormat to remove dfdl:numberBase.
037
066
document scope of selectors
037
067
document floating evaluation order
037
068
change dfdl:length to dfdl:representationLength and
dfdl:lengthWithoutPadding to RepresentationLengthWithoutParsing
Alan Powell
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