[DFDL-WG] DFDL: Minutes from OGF WG call, 30 Apr 2008

[Mike Beckerle]

I believe we also decided to eliminate control over stop value kinds i.e.,
to eliminate the logical vs. literal distinction and just have logical as
the behavior. This eliminates the kind control property for stop values.

 

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From: dfdl-wg-bounces at ogf.org [mailto:dfdl-wg-bounces at ogf.org] On Behalf Of
Ian W Parkinson
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:58 PM
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Subject: [DFDL-WG] DFDL: Minutes from OGF WG call, 30 Apr 2008

 


Hi all, 

I've just noticed - I didn't distribute the minutes from last week's WG
call. Apologies for the delay. 

Cheers, 
Ian 



Open Grid Forum: Data Format Description Language Working Group

Weekly Working Group Conference Call
16:00 GMT, 30 Apr 2008


Attendees
Mike Beckerle (Oco)
Steve Hanson (IBM)
Ian Parkinson (IBM) 
Alan Powell (IBM) 


1. F2F meeting at IBM Hursley 
Mike has confirmed that he will travel to IBM Hursley to further design
discussions with the IBM team, later in May. 


2. Review of specification line items 
The meeting began a review of the outstanding work required for
specification draft 32, but this was not completed during the meeting as a
number of technical discussions were triggered. 

*	valueCalc Mike has provided material to Alan. No further work is
anticipated on this item.

*	nulls/defaults/optionals There has been some discussion on
nilIndicatorPath and forward references, and this discussion needs to
continue. The rest of this section is now complete.

*	UML description of schema components complete

*	Property Precedence This item is currently marked complete; however
it has sparked some discussion. On unparse, if the infoset contains less
than the required number of occurances of some field, then the unparser may
be expected to output sufficient instances of the default value. We need to
craft a policy to determine exactly how this achieved; for example, do we
use the xsd:minOccurs value or do we try to match the result of the
dfdl:occurs expression? Mike proposed that if an occurs expression is
present, it must evaluate to a valid number of occurances. Steve suggested
that we disambiguate dfdl:occurs from xsd:minOccurs and xsd:maxOccurs by
renaming the property dfdl:occursPath - however, this property can be an
expression involving calculations, not just a simple path. A number of
simplifications have been proposed, and these require further discussion.


Alan noted that an XPath expression has no way to access a field's default
value, and suggested introducing a function to handle this. Also, we may
need to define count() such that it returns the number of instances of an
element after any necessary padding and introduce a different way to obtain
the number of instances found in the infoset. 

Stop values and terminators are not considered part of the logical data. 

Steve will update the diagram. 

*	Variable Markup Steve had previously proposed a scheme whereby
properties, such as iniitator or terminator, could be described by another
DFDL element or type definition. We could use a similar mechanism to handle
strings with embedded complex structures. This subject will be tackled
during the F2F.

*	Regular Expressions for Lengths The meeting agreed to adopt the
regular expression subset previously distributed by Alan. Regular
expressions are ignored for unparsing, and are only used to determine the
length of an element during parsing. Considering repeating elements, Steve
contrasted the behaviour of regular expressions in DFDL (where the regular
expression matches just a single instance) with that in IBM's MRM technology
(where a regular expression matches the entire array), and the meeting
discussed whether a regular expressions should include any necessary
terminators.



Meeting closed, 17:10 GMT 



Ian Parkinson
WebSphere ESB Development
Mail Point 211, Hursley Park, Hursley, Winchester, SO21 2JN, UK



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