[dais-wg] DAIS Telcon Mins from 07/06/05
Mario Antonioletti
mario at epcc.ed.ac.uk
Wed Jun 8 04:11:31 CDT 2005
DAIS Telcon - 07/06/05
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Chair: Norman Paton
Notes: Mario Antonioletti
Attendees:
Norman Paton, University of Manchester
Mario Antonioletti, EPCC
Dave Pearson, Oracle
Allen Luniewski, IBM
Savas Parastatidis, University of Newcastle
Agenda:
o Specification issues.
Actions:
[Mario] Find out what practice is used for versioning GGF documents.
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Norman: Trying to come up with an update facility for DAIS. This is
still a work in progress.
Mario do you know what the status of the specs is at the
moment?
Mario: have been iterating the relational spec with Susan. I think
Simon has the token on the core spec. I'm not sure what
progress on that is. Not sure if Amy has made done the XML
spec ... she was busy last week.
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Mario: For GGF14 do we aim to go in as a proposed recommendation?
Norman: submitting to the proposed recommendation track happens after
GGF. Hope the version submitted to GGF will be close to the
proposed recommendation.
Mario: Ah I thought we were submitting then. How much can we change
after?
Norman: well there should be no known bugs in the specs. They ought to
do what we think it should and describe what we intend it to
do.
Mario: what things like ws-address/wsrf which will not be ratified in the
same time frame?
Norman: specs will have to change - external dependencies on ws-addressing
and wsrf need to be explicitly noted.
Mario: the fact that submission happens after GGF14 also means that we
do not have to specify the principal issue contact on the
footer of the specs as required? We can worry about this later.
...
Mario: Is the WSDL being produced supposed to be normative? Some of
the language is a bit loose on this.
Norman: it will be normative. The language needs to be tightened.
Mario: Is the data description stuff an interface or a collection of
properties? It's currently being referred to as an interface
in the relational spec...
Norman: depends how we use the word interface - it really is a
collection of properties which will be associated with some
operations. Need to be careful how we use the word
interface. Need to go and look at how Simon used it in the
core. Check how Simon defined it.
Mario: How closely should the WSDL follow the spec in terms of naming?
e.g. SQLAccess and the like - should that map to a portType.
Norman: because of the issue with portTypes in WSDL ... need to check.
We need to know what we are saying ... probably have to be
silent if they are going to be composed and the definitions
are going to be extended the definitions, e.g. result sets.
Mario: having a problems with the usage of CIM in the relational spec
as we do not have a definition as yet - so we need to do
something for GGF. Could use an xsd:any and remove the specific
detail about the content from the relational spec or we could
have an xsd:any which is restricted to the DMTF/CIM namespace
but this too has not been decided on yet. Another alternative
is to come up with our own elements names with the proviso that
this will be swapped for the proper ones later on ...
Norman: needs to be an extensibility point - do we provide a set of
relative specific set of properties - need to make sure that
they line up with the corresponding CIM model. A plausible way
would be to have the different properties - and each of these
would be an any and would describe the schema that it conforms
to and then there would be a statement ... to the effect that
this will be tightened up - to produce a separate spec. For
now allow people to plug things in and in due course that will
be tightened up and the CIM stuff will come up in time.
Mario: ok can discuss at some later point ... so that's most of my
current issues addressed ... though not necessarily resolved.
Norman: Allen can you say a couple of word about what the OGSA Data WG
are doing at GGF14?
Allen: have put a version of the Data strawman architecture up on Grid
Forge. There's stuff on replication, data transfer, a section
on storage ... aim to have three sessions at GGF14 - on
introducing the group to the community, a session that will
concentrate on data transfer .... part of that is going to be
looking at infod - the third session is with the transaction
management research group ... neither of the chairs will make
it to GGF - also the group is in the process of shutting down -
submitting their final report. Want to do transactions as it
crosses all the pieces. Do the same with security ...
Norman: people from DAIS should try to have a look.
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Norman: Savas did Simon copy you in the last version of the WSDL?
Savas: had a call with Simon where the conduit was discussed. I think
I understand it now. Told me that he was going to work on the
WSDL - told me not to look.
Norman: it would be good to have your input on the WSDL once it comes
out.
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Norman: GGF have not published the schedule yet - would be helpful if
they could schedule all the DAIS sessions before Wed 2pm.
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