On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 11:31 AM Stefan Claas
   <[1]spam.trap.mailing.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

     On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 1:44 AM Karl <[2]gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
     > do you argue against keysigning because of the dangers produced by
     spreading documentation of personal connections? it seems like an
     important trust mechanism to provide for people who can hold any
     risk of using it.
     I used public key cryptography before PGP was invented and how the
     WoT
     is managed I do not like.
     Why give away to third parties the persons who signed your key,
     instead of local signing, which can
     be done too? And you can't trust signed pub keys from key signing
     parties, because people can show
     fake passports. Nor you can trust signatures made remotely by Joe
     user
     average, who simply downloaded
     your key and gave you a fan sig.

   isn't this coverable by owner trust?  my gnupg asks me to specify how
   much I trust the verifications made by others, before trusting
   signature chains going through them
   anyway the wot has serious issues but there are also very few
   decentralised trust protocols out there, it seems great that one is
   normalised
   but yeah improvements sorely needed

     > obviously without an out of band channel for cryptographic trust
     you have no way of knowing anything on the internet is real
     But it looks to me that you can handle this, otherwise, you would
     not
     use it, right? :-)

   it's like shopping at walmart when you're penniless in a remote area.
   sure, they won't give anyone in your town a job, but they're all you
   can afford so you become a reliable client.
   I appreciate how spamming this channel gives me psychological relief
   and [memory aid, records are hard for me].  But I do need reality to
   escape my psychosis.
   Your emails appear unsigned to me.  I assume this is because they are
   coming through some form of govcorp, manipulating us both in some way.

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