hey To give you a quick summary of how this all works: I burn the secret key on a Yubikey with an offline device. I upload my pub key to Governikus, which compares my Name on my ID-card with my pub key Name. This is done via a tunnel, which I must accept on my ID-cards card reader display (and not my computer). Once done Governikus signs my pub key and sends the signed pub key to my email address mentioned in my pub keys UID, along with their signing pub key. If the NSA would physically take over Governikus' with its own personal and the complete infrastructure, they would simply sign in the name of Governikus my pub key, so that you also have the guarantee that it is me. :-) what you say has meaning and your joke can be taken many hilarious ways but obviously there are many unaddressed parts, such as the german workers and the hardware suppliers and software developers and the people delivering the parts and obviously there is no guarantee that anybody is anybody when a foreign agency siezes control of communications but they are more likely to do this by installing something subtle than an overt physical takeover and here they have only to do that with a single organization and likely even have international deals to facilitate it. If the NSA could also take physically over our German Bundesdruckerei, with their personal, which creates our ID-cards, Passports, Banknotes etc. than they could issue for Joe Blow in the United States an ID-card, so that he looks like a German national and then he could use Governikus as well. But how likely is that? => you did not address the security of the fingerprint. <= which you describe as secured and shared only by ssl I am quite happy to let people secure their keys with keysigners, and it sounds like governikus has strong value as _a_ keysigner. I guess stealing someones (Wot signed) secret key is a *much much* easier task, which only would take five minutes or so remotely, along with the passphrase, if the person still uses an online device for encryption and a little bit more time if the person uses an offline device. whether or not they are online is orthogonal to whether or not they use wot and governikus. wot works fine offline too, works fine with yubikey. I was surprised when you started saying things as strange as the things I say. but it is much more pleasant to banter with you than the posters who say very mean things with every post.