On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 10:46 AM David Barrett
   <[1]dbarrett@expensify.com> wrote:

   On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 2:09 AM Karl <[2]gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:

   One man cannot fight a multinational prosecution with the flick of his
   finger.  Hiding is the appropriate behavior here.
   What would you do if multiple governments -- especially the most
   corrupt governments and the most corrupt parts of governments --
   thought you were their worst nightmare?

   What does this have to do with justice?  Are you suggesting that if you
   are an enemy of the state, you should not have to go through the
   Justice system? I'm not sure exactly what you're proposing.

   Justice is about what is right, not about enemies.  If fake evidence is
   involved, is the subject an enemy of the state, or an enemy of
   corruption within it?

   I'm saying something pretty basic. I'm saying you can't blame the
   courts for treating you badly, if you refuse to show up.

   You can if you were legitimately hiding from corruption.  Regardless
   courts only judge and act on people in courtrooms.

   All of his complaints against the US government are hypothetical based
   upon actions it might take in the future, but actually hasn't.  Same
   goes for Snowden.

   You disregard our hundreds of years of prior systemised injustice, the
   political prisoners in our prisons, all the recent corruption news that
   has come out regarding the various branches, including rampant misuse
   of surveillance technology?

   Chelsea Manning is the only one who actually went through the Justice
   process for her leaking government cables, and she served 7 years in
   prison, and then was a free woman. We can debate whether or not seven
   was the right number, and whether she was treated appropriately during
   those seven, but it wasn't exactly multiple life sentences or execution
   or rotting in prison, or any of that.

   Supporters worked incredibly hard to push for such things, and the same
   is not true of most such prisoners.  The few surviving members of MOVE,
   the nonviolent group whose home was bombed by law enforcement in 1985,
   were only released a couple years ago.

   It's entirely possible that Snowden and Assange might be free to go by
   now had they actually shown up to court, and instead have been hiding
   out over nothing. None of the time Assange is spending in
   self-isolation will count towards a prison sentence when he eventually
   goes to jail, because hiding from the law isn't part of the justice
   system.

   The people who take your gamble accomplish less than these people have.

   I'm not sure how someone can celebrate their behavior and
   simultaneously support the rule of law.

   This thread is about the evidence having been falsified, David.  That
   is not legal.

References

   1. mailto:dbarrett@expensify.com
   2. mailto:gmkarl@gmail.com