bottom line here is that only the worst kind of dishonest
     turd can pretend that there's any 'legitimacy' to your government or
     your 'country' karl.

   There are some very patriotic people here.
   In kindergarten, we heard a Native woman speak about how her life was
   different from ours.  Afterwards many people seemed to feel blamed for
   her experience, and became defensive.  They said it was not their
   fault, and seemed to believe there was nothing they could do.
   It's not hard to move out if you have the privilege to do so, but
   impossible if you don't.
   I wonder how highly patriotic people hold the theft of the country from
   its indigenous folk.  Maybe they have stories that validate it.

     > and then had a civil war.  We might have problematic culture.
             'culture'

   'fads' and 'memes' like slavery?

     > We still have it in our constitution to protect the ability to
     rise up if
     > something has gotten very wrong.
             yet another piece of infinitely dishonest nonsense yes. Your
     US cuntsitution still has all the slavery 'clauses' as well. Makes
     for hilarious reading.
             Now, are you mentioning this (fake) "ability to rise up if
     something has gotten very wrong" because you think it's real or
     because you admit it shows how infinitely corrupt your 'country' is?

   Making change takes a lot of effort, and can endanger you, but it
   eventually happens.  Just like the cells in our body only live for so
   many years.  We need to talk productively about making things right, or
   we die.