On Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 5:55 PM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0
   <[1]punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:

     On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 16:33:08 -0400
     Karl <[2]gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
     > 1.  The internet started in academia.
             that's incorrect. The arpanet is a US military project.
     Criminals at academia (MIT for instance, a leading 'military
     contractor') 'cooperated' with the US military, but the arpanet
     remains a US military network used

   Yes, the internet's creation was originally funded by a military
   contract, which I believe was filled by a telecommunications company,
   not really sure.  I do not personally believe that the internet we use
   was military-controlled after it became widespread, but I don't really
   know.

     for surveillance, spying, 'cyberattacks' and propaganda.

   This wasn't my experience.  There was no infrastructure to cyberattack
   at that point.

             So, from the point of view of civilian users, the 'internet'
     was compromised from day zero.

   We agree on some things here.

     > These disruptions left governments and corporations with a lot of
     fear and a
     lot of injury
             that's incorrect. Govcorp criminals like bankers and other
     non human trash were never actually 'hacked' to any meaningful
     degree. 'Hackers' never actually fought against govcorp.

   Kinda like poking a bee's nest.  Just a single poke, and many of them
   risk their lives to hurt you, thinking you must be the end of the
   world.
   What's unfortunate is that hackers won part of a "battle" against
   govcorp and successfully made digital ecosystems of freedom that are
   now being co-opted and used very harmfully and oppressively.

     >The thing to remember is that hackers know how to secure systems,
     and are
     trying to make them all be secure, to protect everyone
             that's false as well. Vast majority of 'hackers' work only
     to protect govcorp.

   It is incredibly important that you believe me that what I stated was
   true in past decades.  As stated, most visible hackers have now been
   kidnapped by govcorp or gotten old, or both, so what you say has truth.

     > Unfortunately, we have a situation now where everything is
     incredibly insecure,
             Incorrect. Govcorp is pretty well secured against their
     victims.

   Haha.  Yeah but they are ripping themselves and their people up a
   little by not understanding it well.

     > With strong AI out there,
             lol - there's no such thing as 'AI' - it's a fraud, let
     alone 'strong' 'AI'.

   They are silly words to use, but a computer can certainly beat you in
   chess, and that happened a long time ago.  What if those chess moves
   were instead software bugs?

References

   1. mailto:punks@tfwno.gf
   2. mailto:gmkarl@gmail.com