"I think people who torture others believe they are evil.  Maybe this
   is why they always tell other people that those other people are."
    "It's hard to repeatedly hurt others.  Something grows in you."
    "I think deep down, somewhere inside, everybody must somehow know that
   it is not them who is evil."
    "I think this too, but we need to protect ourselves."
   "How do we do this?  How do we protect ourselves?"
    "We have resources to take action if something is wrong.  People can
   do something."
    "This doesn't seem realistic to me."