On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 6:13 AM grarpamp <[1]grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:

     > Why would they be lossy?
     Because someone brought lossy into the thread as an option.

   This was you, right?

     > Free storage of unlimited data that is important to the world
     Free to you is only upon gift of others.

   I'm big on gift economies, I don't need to cover them up.  But yes
   that's obvious.

     > Is this the lifetime of a rotating disk?
     Once past early death can be many years, but
     amortization, depreciation, obsolete size/power, etc
     starts coming into play around there.
     [2]https://www.backblaze.com/
     > Have you considered bulk tape storage?
     In thread.

     > What about Moore's law?
     Moore is just an observation over past manufacturing advances,
     not a law of physics. Chips are now down to sub-2nm.

   I thought it was a set of business agreements.

     Actual laws of physics, hard quantum limits, tens of atoms,
     are starting to apply below that range.
     [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_device_fabrication
     [4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law
     This problem is also why cryptocurrency development
     should explore moving beyond first-gen blockchains that
     keep growing in perpetuity per transaction, to a chainless
     history-free state database whose forever size is naturally
     just the number of all unspent outputs. Some coins are
     working on developing that tech, but you'd have to find
     and post the links to them.

   Ethereum was pursuing that stuff for a bit.  Similar to Wikipedia
   articles with deleted history.  A joke topic is missing: free speech
   around highly classified or dangerous information.  You could power a
   city and build a space station in that city, based on the physical
   processes that result from really highly suppressed information.

     > Every blockchain starts this way.  People like making a few cents,
     some are
     > passionate and have existing capital, others have a business plan.
     They can start and like whatever they want, but unless
     they dream up a way to magically cut the cost of drives
     from $0.63 down to $0.03, they'll still be bankrupt in short order.
     Nothing is ever truly free but solar input, while it lasts.

   Volcanos, tides, waves, temperature differentials in the earth, huge
   underground aquifers that span the globe and never stop pumping, charge
   differentials up the atmosphere that cause lightning ...  but we don't
   actually need all that electricity so it's mostly a cultural game.
   But obviously blockchains assume that scarcity produces discovery.
   Make a blockchain that facilitates free invention, all the others grow.

References

   1. mailto:grarpamp@gmail.com
   2. https://www.backblaze.com/
   3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_device_fabrication
   4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law