On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 9:54 PM Zenaan Harkness <[1]zen@freedbms.net>
   wrote:

     On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 09:42:34PM -0400, Karl wrote:
     > On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 9:34 PM Zenaan Harkness
     <[2]zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
     >
     > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 08:24:15PM -0400, Karl wrote:
     > > > I want to try not-trump because of feminism, environmentalism,
     community
     > > > power (he's a rich businessman), social justice, etc.  I have
     reasons for
     > > > all those things too.
     > >
     > > Karl, to what degree do you see that "social justice" has been
     co-opted
     > > into destruction of (often black/minority) businesses by
     literally burning
     > > their buildings to the ground, hate campaigns against "Whitie",
     and other
     > > destructive and pointless things?
     > >
     >
     > I've heard of the white thing for some years but never been
     exposed to it
     > myself.
     >
     > How do you feel when a business is burned?  As an anarchist, I
     feel kinda
     > happy at first.  Then I feel really sad when I think of the owner
     > discovering it, and how they might feel.
     Well at least there's a common ground for dialog.
     Do you recall seeing the ~80 year old man beaten to the ground,
     nearly unconscious, by the BLM / ANTIFA mob in Kenosha, when all
     this really old guy did was try and put out the fire in his mattress
     store, this business he had presumably spent decades running?  Can
     we agree that great harm was done to this old man?

   I haven't seen it; it sounds like it's really shocking and infuriating
   to see?  Same was of course true of the many people killed by the
   police this year.
   Zenaan, when you talk it often sounds like someone paid for it.  You
   don't contribute anything technical to this list these days.  I would
   like to let someone else speak.
   But you're good if you can share some emotion about it with me.

     > I don't see the word "co-opted" as appropriate, until maybe this
     year.
     >
     > I'd really like to learn your values.  Mine would simplify from
     the
     > buzzwords I stated, to reducing harm that I am aware of.

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