On Sunday, August 23, 2020, 01:54:13 PM PDT, jamesd@echeque.com
   <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:

   On 2020-08-24 05:23, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
   >     Satellites, solar panels, electric cars and similar garbage are
   old, subsidized products of govcorp. Musk is the 'marketing' guy.
   Government is demonstrably incapable of creating technology.
   [snip]
   >When the US captured Wernher von Braun it tried to build rockets and
   failed. It asked him how his rockets were built, it looked at his
   rockets, and it still failed. When it put him in charge, then it
   succeeded. And when he died, rocketry stopped advancing until Space X.
   In about July 1975, I went with my grandfather on an airplane trip from
   Kansas City to see the Apollo/Soyuz mission begin.  It was sponsored by
   the Kansas City Philharmonic, and that trip was the first and only time
   I've travelled on a 747 airplane.
   Turns out Werner Von Braun and Susan Ford (daughter of then-President
   Gerald Ford) were on that plane.
   I can easily recall the trip:  The launch of the rocket was easily the
   loudest sound I'd ever heard in my life.