Zenaan I'm sending this to you twice because the list has been dropping
   some of my emails.
   Thoughts to help me and any noticing me:
   - I've been burdening Zenaan, who mostly keeps pulling through
   respectfully.  I'm building desire to relate with Zenaan or Cecilia on
   what the issue between them is.
   - Zenaan seems to be expressing that they are wholly capable of
   speaking both peacefully and aggressively.
   - Zenaan appears to have suffered, regarding experiences from the
   political correctness crowds, experiences that didn't provide value for
   Zenaan's own needs and experiences, repeatedly and persistently.  This
   is common for many white men, and they have a "secret" (not really
   secret) culture around it I was exposed to in school growing up:
   "secret" because nobody from outside it understands and honors anything
   they say around their difference, which they likely find hurtful.  They
   appear to partly speak in harm of people who are already harmed.
     (secret for my language only: This culture appears a response of
   children caring a lot for others, and wanting connection with them, and
   then perceiving that in order to care and connect with these people
   properly, they discern they would have to do things that seem
   impossible to them, which produces lifelong spreading frustration
   passed on to future generations.  Roughly.  The SJ crowds I was exposed
   to had some feedback from this, but mostly were just advising people to
   not feel guilty without changing the forms of their expressions too
   much.  We'd need to get good at explaining how honoring white men aids
   oppressed black trans women (which it does via the path I just
   described), to fix that quickly.)
   - Zenaan states the mailing list culture here normally has both
   "flaming" and polite constructive discourse.
   - Using computers a lot builds tension in people; most coders are
   familiar with the sudden irritation when somebody argues on the
   internet or interrupts you.  People who don't spend all their time
   solving puzzles on computers like hackers do, do not have that same
   experience, and may be less familiar with "flame wars".
   - We are in a new situation now where flame wars and discourse are
   different.
   K
   -
   There is proof inside many peoples' electronics.  Proof that a
   marketing group would contract development of a frightening virus.  A
   virus that responds to peoples' keystrokes and browsing habits, and
   changes what people see on their devices.  A virus that alters
   political behavior en masse, for profit.

   On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, 9:59 AM Zenaan Harkness <[1]zen@freedbms.net>
   wrote:

     OK fellow Soul, to help reorient yourself in a much easier and more
     grounded way, we welcome you to ... digital fight club, with a
     difference:
     You don't have to fight, unless you can't resist :)
     But, and for reasons known only to you, you may not actually be able
     to resist joining any random melee :D
     And that's the funniest part ... snigger snort .. :)
     So, you have right here in your hot little fingers, the power to NOT
     (did you notice the all caps right there?) leap in to any
     particurary enticing joust .. heh heh :)
     If you'd like an historical not-so-short primer, then give this link
     a burl:

     [2]https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2016-February/0572
     82.html
     Good luck resisting that unrelenting URGE to joust (some moar all
     caps there for ya, by the way)...
     On Sat, Jun 06, 2020 at 08:16:15AM -0400, Karl wrote:
     > Man I hurt so much when I read insults.  I feel discouraged and
     sad and
     > everything gets harder.
     >
     > I want to express that both grarpamp and you totally rock like
     nothing
     > else, and if that makes you uncomfortable take it as an attack.
     >
     > Personally I'm a fascist now myself after the psyop targeting.
     Don't
     > suspect that anyone else is, left or right.  Seems kind of a weird
     crafted
     > experience of feeling pain when nonfeeling structures like
     governments and
     > businesses are hurt.  Try never to talk about quite that, seems it
     could
     > spread the problem.  Structures don't feel pain: their people and
     workers
     > do.
     >
     >
     >
     > On Fri, May 1, 2020, 3:49 PM Punk-Stasi 2.0 <[3]punks@tfwno.gf>
     wrote:
     >
     > > On Fri, 1 May 2020 08:32:38 -0400
     > > grarpamp <[4]grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
     > >
     > > > [5]https://twitter.com/APompliano/status/1255991843906555905
     > > > "Never forget that @zerohedge got banned for saying this
     almost two
     > > months ago."
     > > >
     > >
     [6]https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-hes-seen-convincing-evidence-
     that-coronavirus-originated-wuhan-lab-1501336
     > >
     > >
     > >         did I mention that agent grarpamp is a trump fascist?
     > >
     > >         ha ha ha - can this fine mailing list sink any lower?
     > >

References

   1. mailto:zen@freedbms.net
   2. https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2016-February/057282.html
   3. mailto:punks@tfwno.gf
   4. mailto:grarpamp@gmail.com
   5. https://twitter.com/APompliano/status/1255991843906555905
   6. https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-hes-seen-convincing-evidence-that-coronavirus-originated-wuhan-lab-1501336