Ehh I read "there may be a chance" prior to what you wrote, which I
   still see quoted below.  I hear it as assuming low likelihood of what
   comes after.
   Just looking for collaboration, Zenaan.  I github'd you and found
   IQNets with its empty codebase: do you guys need help taking that
   somewhere?
   Since iqnets replaces tor and has no code in it, it looks pretty legit,
   although I wouldn't expect that to make sense to anybody.
   I've calmed down and am remembering to take you out of the To: field
   this time.  Sorry about that.
   I've struggled for years against many obstacles to move forward on
   reliable logging and was excited to see Jim's project.
   On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 10:46 AM Zenaan Harkness <[1]zen@freedbms.net>
   wrote:

     Seems you misread what I wrote...
     I wrote "this project could have a positive net effect" ...
     Did you misread my words?
     On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 10:19:43AM -0400, Karl wrote:
     > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 8:06 AM Zenaan Harkness
     <[2]zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
     >
     > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 06:29:30PM -0400, Karl wrote:
     > > > Checking to see if anybody is interested in working on this,
     possibly
     > > with
     > > > me, on the software side.  I don't know you and am half crazy,
     but I
     > > still
     > > > know some code.
     > > >
     > > > grarpamp, Jim said the device has room for an SDR.  A
     generalized secure
     > > > network would also be a great thing.
     > > >
     > > > I have not read most of this list, if that's not obvious.  I
     read source
     > > > code a lot better than english.
     > >
     > >
     > > There may be a chance this project could have a positive net
     effect.
     > >
     >
     > <cries>
     >
     > Zenaan how can you assume in public like this that this project is
     > horrible, without any discussion of its merits, on a thread about
     working
     > on it with no other replies?
     >
     > Have I hurt you?  Does this project hurt you?
     >
     > You collapse all our impact into one "net effect" and say it is
     bad!  I
     > have tried to kill myself repeatedly, Zenaan, and it just gets you
     locked
     > in a hospital still alive, crying and wishing you could die!  We
     need to
     > try to do something with our efforts!
     >
     > What projects are you working or dreaming of?
     >
     >
     > > In terms of device, step PRIMARY, is to free you and your users
     from the
     > > clutches of google/apple etc.  For example the Librem 5 may be a
     good base
     > > platform on which to add any daughter board you guys come up
     with...
     >
     >
     > > At the very least, rooting your mainstream 'tard-phone is likely
     up on
     > > your list already, of course.
     > >
     > > Good luck,
     > >

References

   1. mailto:zen@freedbms.net
   2. mailto:zen@freedbms.net