I sent this reply personally to Punk but am returning the thread to the
   list per Zenaan's request elsewhere.  Please express a differing
   opinion from Zenaan's if you have one.
   On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 10:18 PM Punk-Stasi 2.0 <[1]punks@tfwno.gf>
   wrote:

     On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 20:34:48 -0400
     Karl <[2]gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
     > But why are you dissing Jim's project when there are already
     surveillance
     > cameras everywhere, and cops are beating up journalists as we
     email?
             because his 'project' will change nothing and it's just
     propaganda to make 'technology' look good. You can record cops with
     already existing retardphones. It changes nothing.

   Have you tried this?  The information is usually lost.  The cop orders
   you to erase it, or even destroys the phone; I emailed myself some
   recordings once and they disappeared from my email.  The current
   activism appears to be working better because people throughout
   american culture are resisting those things, and there are too many
   events for authorities to handle.

             and Jim has been spamming the list with his techno bullshit

   It sounds like you're really frustrated and discouraged around the
   presence of technological business support, without overt
   acknowledgement and consideration of all the harm it causes.  I've been
   handling that too, and realizing others hold it is cause for me to
   think on it.
   Cecilia told me Jim has been through years of prison for resisting
   abuse of power by authorities.  Some of us want to sousveil the
   authorities, and we are likely to be misled in some ways because those
   authorities have been surveiling and influencing us for years.  In such
   a situation those confining you can try to produce conflict between you
   and others, to prevent collaboration or harm you.  It is hard to learn
   how we might be wrong when so heavily criticized.
   It seems dangerous to me to associate our opinions of what people did
   with the people who did those things.  Such a habit could easily
   disrupt a community exposed to false rumors.

References

   1. mailto:punks@tfwno.gf
   2. mailto:gmkarl@gmail.com