On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 7:28 PM Punk-Stasi 2.0 <[1]punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:

     > I think I understand that you know surveillance is stimulating
     severe
     > danger these days, and that you are very, very concerned around
     the idea of
     > us building recording devices.
             No, what 'concerns me' is the faulty reasoning.

   You're frustrated, needing trust around your reasoning, and honesty
   around ours?

     > I'm not being clear.  I think I've been upsetting you too,
     something I do
     > not want to do.  I'm a little crestfallen over the difficulty
     communicating.
             don't worry about upsetting me.

   Sounds like you've been through some situations involving very intense
   upsetness, and have skills there.

     As far as communication goes though it seems you're ignorning my
     overall comments on 'technology' and political power. Anyway, I
     won't repeat them again. At least today...

   It sounds like I have not heard or understood them.  Are you able to
   repeat them in a message that is clear and concise without extra
   discussion?  I'm trying to draw bounds around what kinds of recording
   you are scared of, and why.

   It seems obvious to me that records held by an individual and their
   friends is not surveillance, and that in general, surveillance is only
   harmful when used by a powerful entity rather than a weak one.
   I see the people here as working to help, and worry their work could be
   hindered handling volatile discussions.

References

   1. mailto:punks@tfwno.gf