Hey Dynamite,
   You write too much here for me to read it all, but it sounds valuable.
   On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 9:22 PM \0xDynamite
   <[1]dreamingforward@gmail.com> wrote:

     >> Well, you see, I'm at a little bit of an impasse.  What am I
     going to
     >> do in my anarchist paradise when such a threat to freedom arises?
     >> Arrest him isn't an option.  Hope that he'll see the light of
     anarchy?
     >>  Club him?  I'm in the darkness here, help me see the light.
     >
     > People struggle for power because something is going wrong for
     them.  You and your friends either find paths to change that
     situation with him, or you stop or get rid of him.  You can totally
     arrest him if you like that word, but his people are liable to start
     a rebellion and overtake your self-appointed leadership, in
     response, some day, because you ignored his reason for striving for
     power.
     >
     > Are you saying you support everyone being controlled by the whims
     of the powerful?
     Not at all.  Firstly, speaking on behalf of prophesy (not myself --
     which sits in between vertical and horizontal systems of order),

   I also am between vertical and horizontal.  It is good to share this
   with you.  I am heavily horizontal-biased but I am not exposed to the
   mainstream horizontal teachings.  I form my own views that are
   compatible.

     people might strive for power because they wish to create something
     that cannot be accomplished without personal -- not collective --
     rewards.  This probably requires hierarchy, and this requires some
     system of government if it is to be sustained past one's personal
     whims.  There are legitimate, UNIVERSAL needs for vertical growth to
     be an ongoing component in the universe to stave off the tendency
     for
     entropy.

   Nothing is required and everything is possible.
   I see that vertical behavior is universal but it looks microscopic to
   me.  A horizontal approach can do everything a vertical approach can.
   People used to thinking in hierarchy only see hierarchical solutions
   because their brains have so much more habitual skill around thinking
   of them.
   Everyone else has some compatible urge to the person striving for
   power.  This person could work together with these other people and
   meet their needs faster.  They would have to think of sharing power
   with others as a primary strategy, to do this, and so would the other
   people.

     But to answer your question more directly, people can be directed,
     not
     by the whims of the powerful, but by their merit.  Every anarchist
     knows that some people have more merit in some dimension that
     another
     doesn't.  It's a natural by-product of the diversity of human
     experience.

   And similarly we can all learn the skills ourselves that give other
   people their merit, if we want.

     Proper government can utilize these facts to build
     something from a higher-level, systems perspective that cannot be
     accomplished from the whim of the mob, to turn your phrase.  That
     is,
     by VIRTUE, of their higher position, they can see and organize
     possibilities which cannot otherwise be accomplished (generally).

   What you are expressing here on my side is that because we are all used
   to thinking hierarchically, it seems easier to do so for most right
   now.
   The problem with building top-down globally is that your feedback for
   undiscussed error is violent rebellion.  If you build bottom up your
   feedback is that nobody is helping you, which is a lot safer, man.

     All of this political theory is not at all meant to take the wind
     out
     of the sails of those who fight for true justice and virtuous
     liberty,
     but to show that history has dealt with some of these issues and
     democracy is/was the only way forward.

   You should be aware of things like convergent facilitation, setting
   norms of conflict mediation instead of rules, sociocracy, consensus:
   ways of making group decisions and handling things that include
   everyone's needs but talk about problems that voting can lead to.
   Nobody is fighting inclusion or communication.  It seems to me that
   "democracy" is an attempt at anarchy that failed due to majority-vote,
   but politically they seem basically the same thing:
   _the_people_affected_by_decisions_need_to_be_the_ones_who_make_them_.

     This is also the prediction of
     the prophecy of the Jews.  The issue that is making present
     democracy
     fail is the co-option by big media

   To generalize, the issue is that people are not engaging in forthright
   political discussion across boundaries: instead we are listening to the
   biggest nearest opinion, presently big media.  Big media could change
   that by spreading a norm of productive debate.

     and other private sources and a
     failed election model that requires someone to be in office even if
     they aren't supported by the populace.  I've helped deliver an
     alternative to the "winner-takes-all" model presently used in
     America
     and the "electoral college" which takes away some of that
     representation.  It's called Fractional Voting and it allows each
     voter to vote FOR and AGAINST each candidate or put all of their
     votes
     on one.  That alone fixes 90% of the present voting problems
     (two-party emergent dualities, apathy caused by feeling of
     powerlessness, mis-voting because people couldn't vote for a small
     candidate for fear of losing to a greater evil, and others).

   It sounds like you know what you are doing.  Personally it hurts to
   hear you say "90% of the present voting problems" when the hereditary,
   most experienced, stewards of our country have their cultures locked in
   tiny reservations where their people are dying or dead, and there
   _is_no_public_fair_debate_ on issues like this, while our ignoring of
   their experience is causing widespread destruction of our politics,
   health and environment.  Peaceful "governance" was solved thousands of
   years ago in many diverse ways, and most of this information is
   severely fragmented or lost now.  Fractional voting sounds like a
   wonderful improvement to be greatly supported.  I was in Maine when
   ranked-choice-voting started.

     The prophecy calls for the government to fall back to the next
     lower-level government if there aren't enough POSITIVE votes for any
     candidate in the highest position of power, and failing that it goes
     back to the People themselves (until the next election cycle which
     delivers a qualified, supported candidate).

   That sounds natural and inevitable, and I don't think it has to be this
   sudden or disruptive, but it seems deadly (in an honestly
   non-threatening way) to assume elections keep happening afterwards.
   Why are you referencing a Jewish prophecy?

     It's about a perfect, secular order that came about from
     deconstructing the body of the human with perfect Will:  how their
     internal system of choice-management, execution, resource allocation
     IN THEIR OWN BODY happened, a form of bio-mimicry.

   Please message me in private about such off-topic things if you would
   like to relate around their obviousness (jewish? wtf?).  I don't want
   to be disrupting this list.  My number for telegram, signal, and sms is
   +1 207 518 8256 and if I do not reply it means I have not received the
   message yet.

     If you stop and think about it, we all are the benefactors of such
     emergent order within our own body -- our cells cooperate with us,
     even though it is a hierarchy, to some degree.
     Anyway, these are notes from the Underground, for the enlightenment
     of
     the masses who will strive to deserve it, for it will make a society
     that is worthy of Creation itself.

   WE ARE ALL WORTHY, AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN.  Those who cannot speak or
   defend themselves are the most worthy of all, over here, to the death.
   Sorry for propaganda of obviousness, list.

References

   1. mailto:dreamingforward@gmail.com