Hoping that Cecilia comes back after she recovers from her surgery,
   because after I mentioned trojan network victimization to her over
   telegram, my phone erased the chat history on its own and I have not
   gotten a reply or read-receipt from her since.
   It's possible various forms of censorship have reduced the list
   activity.  I've noticed infosec gatherings are not what you hear of
   them as being in the past either.  I suspect the two disparate meanings
   of the word "hacker" may not have treated everybody well.
   It would be great if this list were archived on a blockchain and the
   transaction log monitored for new posts to publicize to it.  This would
   help people overcome censorship.
   I use a bare-minimum nodejs tool to sync folders with the bsv
   blockchain, and might be able to do the rest of that end of it, but I'm
   struggling around interoperating with mail agents.  I'm not sure how to
   get list messages in raw form, and it's a psychologically hard task to
   pursue for me.
   But really the people who don't need a UI don't trust nodejs (with good
   reason), and there wouldn't be one.  Is anybody using anything more
   reliable than email?
   Additionally, it's notable that few are still using PGP signatures,
   myself included, which is incredibly insecure.  If we all signed the
   previous messages on the list when posting, missing messages would be
   more obvious.  This would be a pretty small change to an aware email
   client.
   It's hard to explain why I don't use PGP, but it is not my preference
   to refrain from it.

   On Sat, May 30, 2020, 2:52 PM coderman <[1]coderman@protonmail.com>
   wrote:

     ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
     On Saturday, May 30, 2020 5:49 PM, Faux Dameron
     <[2]fauxdameron@mailfence.com> wrote:
     > ...
     > I have two questions, why did the group die
     i asked a similar question around a decade ago. i don't have a
     definitive answer, but some opinions...
     there is no one causative factor; many combined:
     - early progress in privacy tech leading to a languishing (or at
     least a decline). "we won the crypto wars!" (hah :)
     - sustainability; there was insufficient passionate new blood to
     sustain what was "the cypherpunks" of that era. or said another way,
     the passionate coders of future privacy tech moved in circles that
     overlapped, but were not defined by, the cypherpunks.
     - centralization; it is a strong attractor! when you've got
     development idioms and norms all built around github and package
     repos and "free" services, each somewhat or very opposed to
     decentralized cypherpunks ethos, the result is a drain away from
     core cypherpunks (if there is a thing) into other endeavors. this is
     pervasive and persistent.
     - sophistication; the state of the art moved on from the realm of
     amateur practitioner to applied graduate level computer science and
     information theory.  the incremental gains in privacy effectiveness
     required increasingly complicated constructs. the ideal
     constructions with severe performance constraints suffered and died
     due to lack of adoption. usability and privacy are complicated in
     ways we continue to discover - requiring mastery of many domains to
     implement effectively.
     > ... and what needs to happen to bring it back?
     i had hope the Snowden leaks would revive a passionate cypherpunks
     groundswell. in one sense, it did: end-to-end secure open source
     tech is widely available, most of the internet is encrypted - it's
     hard to overstate how monumental this is! but it is also clear this
     progress was made outside of whatever "cypherpunks" is today.
     if that didn't do it? perhaps email lists are simply too archaic for
     modern popularity :)
     if slack remade IRC, what does a  shittier, web'ified maillist look
     like? (a forum?)
     > ... as long as you know how to create filters/killfiles, the
     > spam problem really isn't that bad.
     agreed. but try to convince everyone of that!
     best regards,

References

   1. mailto:coderman@protonmail.com
   2. mailto:fauxdameron@mailfence.com