I've been seeing Jitsi mentioned a fair amount - don't know anything
   about it, beyond what you'll see here:
   [1]https://jitsi.org/
   Kurt

   On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 12:32 PM Douglas Lucas <[2]dal@riseup.net>
   wrote:

     Hey cypherpunks,
     So what video chat options are there that are less privacy violating
     and
     social graphing than Zoom, Skype, etc, while still being at least
     somewhat available to the everyday user? Imagine two use cases:
     1. Audiovideo chat between Alice and Bob: they want to watch an
     online
     movie together whether by sharing a screen or some other method, and
     then have sexy times later by same audiovideo chat. Imagine further
     that
     Bob uses Linux laptop and knows more or less what he's doing, while
     Alice uses Windows or Apple or her standard-issue smartphone or w/e
     and
     doesn't want to spend her little weekend time off paidwork trying to
     configure stuff to meet some faraway incel's expectation of flawless
     fantasy security.
     2. A video panel or Q&A being hosted by your local friendly
     anarchist
     bookstore. Maybe it needs 3-5 people on a panel talking, their
     famous
     faces visible on the screen along with their audio while they debate
     each on internecine leftist conflicts that distract from far more
     rational propaganda of the deed, while the 20 people in the
     audience,
     including people of all sorts of demographics who have a hard enough
     time paying their bills online, have their audio and video forcibly
     off
     so there's not random beeps and bloops and toddler singing during
     the
     panel, but the audience could still type in Q&A questions or
     whatever.
     It would also be cool if there was a film screening option --
     imagine an
     anarchist bookstore that prior to covid19 had been doing weekly film
     screenings offline in their brick and mortar location, but now wants
     to
     do something similar online, while making it hopefully accessible
     for
     people without intense computer skills.
     How are Signal and Wire for the above?
     My big picture understanding has for a long time been that, 1.
     perfect
     security is snake oil, the top spy agencies can crack anything if
     they
     want given enough time and targetting interest, but that's not
     typically
     relevant to the above use cases unless you're a Supreme Court
     justice or
     an incel fantasizing about being James Bond, 2. encryption makes
     data
     packet size much bigger, and large data size is already a problem
     with
     video in cleartext, so there never has been a really good solution
     to
     this problem. However #2 was my understanding as of like 5 years
     ago, so
     I'm curious if some new solution has come out.
     It looks like EFF is fairly useless and using Zoom themselves. I
     suppose
     if they're not gonna go after something meaningful, like how the
     corporate voting gear in the US is closed source, they have to spend
     that sweet Papa Omidyar cash and prestige somehow and produce little
     guides about how to toggle your Zoom settings. Afte
     [3]https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/what-you-should-know-about-
     online-tools-during-covid-19-crisis
     [4]https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/cc-backgrounds-video-calls-
     eff
     [5]https://ssd.eff.org/
     Guides by Riseup Networks don't have much on video understandably
     [6]https://riseup.net/en/security/resources
     [7]https://riseup.net/en/security
     Prism Break mentions something called Jami I've never heard of
     [8]https://prism-break.org/en/all/
     And yeah, Signal and Wire...? I know everything is fucked but using
     something less bad for the use cases outlined above seems better
     than
     diving headfirst into whatever the worst popular solutions are.
     Thanks!
     Doug

References

   1. https://jitsi.org/
   2. mailto:dal@riseup.net
   3. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/what-you-should-know-about-online-tools-during-covid-19-crisis
   4. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/cc-backgrounds-video-calls-eff
   5. https://ssd.eff.org/
   6. https://riseup.net/en/security/resources
   7. https://riseup.net/en/security
   8. https://prism-break.org/en/all/