On Wednesday, September 18, 2019, 03:25:56 PM PDT, Punk
   <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
   On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 20:24:19 +0000 (UTC)
   jim bell <[1]jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
   >  On Tuesday, September 17, 2019, 08:19:27 PM PDT, Punk
   <[2]punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
   >
   >
   >  On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 03:00:58 +0000 (UTC)
   > jim bell <[3]jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
   >> Again, you clearly DISAGREE with what I said, but you've said
   nothing to DISPROVE it,
    >   What makes you think that your baseless assertions have to be
   'disproven'? You just ASSERTED stuff, you didn't 'prove' it, so it
   doesn't need to be disproven.
   You are misrepresenting what I said, and that amounts to a 'strawman
   argument'.  [4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man        Yes, I
   asserted, but it was with an argument, but the only thing you did was
   to merely deny, with no argument at all.
    >   But OK - let me 'disprove' this especially ridiculous bit :
     >>  "Then came the Industrial Revolution, when products began to be
   made mostly, and eventually almost completely, by machines (and later,
   even robots)."

       It is 'self-evident' that even to this very day little things like
   say, skycrapers or huge container ships are not made by 'machines'.
   They are made by people using tools. Lots of uh, WORKERS, work, for
   instance, in construction.
   That is a kind of work, and the people who do it are paid quite well.
   Quite possibly overpaid.   In any case, they are paid for the work they
   do.  They are not entitled to a fraction of the productivity of the
   people who will eventually live and work in the building they
   constructed.
      > As to the so called 'industrial revolution'
       [5]http://victorian-era.org/victorian-children-in-factories.html
       [6]Child Labour in the Mining Industry

   >   So now, you should be asking yourself a few questions : 1) Is there
   a free market?
   I've never claimed that there a 'free market', at least in the last few
   hundred years.
   >2) Was there EVER a free market?
   I cannot think of one.
    >3) How did 'capital' get distributed?
   I think of "capital" as merely accumulated wealth that the owners
   decide to invest in a venture they predict will be productive. I've
   never liked the term "capitalism", because it is only one aspect of
   what ought to be a "free market".   The modern term might be
   "crowdsourced investment money".
   "4) How is capital distributed today?"
   Your question is vague.  Maybe you should answer your own question, so
   we will all know what you meant.
    >5) How are prices determined in the current fascist enviroment?
   To some degree, there is usually competition.
    >   and 6) what is this?
   >    [7]The Big Bank Bailout
   I'm not defending today's (or yesterday's)  societies, claiming that
   they represent "the free market".
                                 Jim Bell

References

   1. mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com
   2. mailto:punks@tfwno.gf
   3. mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com
   4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
   5. http://victorian-era.org/victorian-children-in-factories.html
   6. https://spartacus-educational.com/Child_Labour.htm
   7. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikecollins/2015/07/14/the-big-bank-bailout/