On Tuesday, September 17, 2019, 08:19:27 PM PDT, Punk <punks@tfwno.gf>
   wrote:

   On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 03:00:58 +0000 (UTC)
   jim bell <[1]jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
   >> "Surplus value" is a phony, fictitious concept
   [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_value   that originated in the
   mid-1800's, when it was individual physical labor which "made" most
   products.
     >  wow - cosmic level of economic ignorance on display.
   Here, I notice that while you disagree with what I said, you made that
   clear, nevertheless you didn't disprove what I said, or even provide a
   cogent argument.
   >>  Then came the Industrial Revolution, when products began to be made
   mostly, and eventually almost completely, by machines (and later, even
   robots).
   >   everything is made by 'labor' - oh wait, you think that machines
   magically create and operate themselves?) a
   "made by (human) labor" doesn't QUANTIFY it, as a proportion of the
   total value.  Today, humans do very little 'labor' in making modern
   products.  What you (and others who push the "surplus value" nonsense)
   are trying to come to a quantitative conclusion (the workers are
   entitled to a large fraction of the 'surplus value' regardless of the
   quantity of their input)  without any sort of quantitative analysis.
   >>  "Workers" want to think they they 'created' the products that the
   machines and robots actually created.
   >    dude, 'workers' created the machines and robots.
   Are you suggesting that 'the workers' who made the machine are somehow
   entitled to a high proportion of the 'value' represented by the
   products the machine is producing?   Rather than merely being
   compensated for their time and effort?

   >> They want what they call "profit", which is actually mostly the
   responsibility of hundreds of machines.
   >    .... this was would be hilarious except for the fact that it's
   pathetic.
   Again, you clearly DISAGREE with what I said, but you've said nothing
   to DISPROVE it, no even provide a credible argument why you think I'm
   wrong.
              Jim Bell

References

   1. mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com
   2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_value%A0%A0