On 3/26/19 4:25 PM, coderman wrote: hello Steven! you may not want to provoke here, but i welcome your input. in discussions of personal responsibility you come up lacking. Really? How is that? What's your proof? Or the global cost of decentralized abuses. Which could be, and used to be, worse. Name your abuse of choice: it's worse when it's being done everywhere to / by everyone. i assume this implies a "native sin". this is Catholic mindset. the idea that we are born flawed and sinful. What are you talking about? Do you assume often? If you would have read any of my last 30 years of writing on the Internet, you would know that I am diametrically opposed to the Catholic mindset, in the sense you are ascribing. Do your research. i reject this assertion. we are who we make ourselves to be, through our speech and actions. Pick one or more aspects of your identity, profession, family, etc. Imagine when everyone decides they hate that about you and everyone like you. They do every single thing that centralized laws now almost completely prevent. Without anyone to complain to, all you get to do is complain to your buddies, waiving your guns at many more people waiving their guns back at you. You do realize that we've lived through periods like this already, right? Do you want to be living in the Little House on the Prairie when the rustlers happen by, too far for anyone to hear your screams to get help before it is too late? What do you think all of those Western's were about? best regards, Stephen