On 3/26/19 5:05 PM, coderman wrote:

     What are you talking about?  Do you assume often?  If you would have
     read any of my last 30 years of writing on the Internet, you would
     know that I am diametrically opposed to the Catholic mindset, in the
     sense you are ascribing.  Do your research.

   ok.

   then tell me: what is this decentralized wrong committed by every
   human?

   I didn't say that there is a decentralized wrong being committed by
   every human.  You were seemingly arguing against any centralized
   system, that only decentralized systems were valid and workable, or at
   least were far better.  I disagree, depending on what you mean by
   centralized / decentralized in each sense.

   We need, and have, a mostly centralized system of government
   underpinning, agreed upon law system, economics (largely), science,
   knowledge, etc.  Generally, that allows us to operate very autonomously
   and in a decentralized way already.  I seldom see, visit, or interact
   with the Federal, State, or even local government.  I usually interact
   with regulations only as constraints on my decisions and others.
   Besides paying taxes and benefiting from fixed roads, limits to
   hazards, etc., I feel very decentralized and self-controlled most of
   the time.  You're arguing that disassembling that centralized /
   decentralized system into something more purely decentralized would be
   better.  I don't see it.

     Pick one or more aspects of your identity, profession, family, etc.
     Imagine when everyone decides they hate that about you and everyone
     like you.  They do every single thing that centralized laws now
     almost completely prevent.

   give me an example. prove to me that some harm is prevented only in the
   centralized model?

   Efficiency.  Trying to create, maintain, and evolve many, many
   decentralized systems at the pace our centralized legal / information /
   economic / medicine / scientific / safety / defense system operates
   would be far less efficient than the system we have now.

   i continue to assert this is a cop out - there is nothing fundamentally
   unique to centralized control which an enlightened public cannot
   achieve (in a more robust manner - this is the argument re:
   centralization vs. decentralization)

   Efficiency.  The most rapid evolution.  It is well-known that society
   evolves fastest in cities, i.e. centralization of the population to
   create more turns at all interactions which moves things along faster.

     You do realize that we've lived through periods like this already,
     right?  Do you want to be living in the Little House on the Prairie
     when the rustlers happen by, too far for anyone to hear your screams
     to get help before it is too late?  What do you think all of those
     Western's were about?

   we've never lived in a modern decentralized existence. communication is
   the key.

   Our Internet-driven society is the most decentralized that has ever
   existed, because of good communication.  And we can do much better.
   Some of what I've been thinking about and working on.

   best regards,

   sdw