On 05/24/2018 12:43 PM, juan wrote:

But instead of predicting one can simply look at what's going on and see that th
e cypherpunk project is kinda fucked, bitcoin notwithstanding...


   Hahaha! "In the early 70s while we were debating this (Rand and
   Rothbard) in the school dorm..."!
   No wonder it's FUCKED. He was debating the books on his mommy's
   bookshelf!
   There IS NO SUCH THING as "AnCap", AnarchoCapitalism, Whatever the fuck
   stupid moniker y' all come up with to describe Republicans scumbags Who
   Like To Party.
   'So for this episode, let’s focus on this weird group of people who
   didn’t seem to get the memo that opposition to all forms of hierarchy
   and domination isn’t compatible with their private property schemes.'

     Clara: So now for our next two episodes, we turn to two of the other
     areas in which folks sometimes get confused about who anarchists are
     and aren’t. Libertarians and so-called anarcho-capitalists
     increasingly use the term “anarchist” to describe their
     pro-capitalist views; meanwhile, critics of the left often lump
     anarchists together with socialists and communists as freedom-hating
     collectivists.

     Alanis: But anarchists are really different from both of those
     groups. We’re distinct from libertarians because we reject
     capitalism and private property, and we’re distinct from many
     socialists and communists because we reject political authority and
     centralization.

     Clara: So for this episode, let’s focus on this weird group of
     people who didn’t seem to get the memo that opposition to all forms
     of hierarchy and domination isn’t compatible with their private
     property schemes.

     Alanis: Before we can get started talking about this, we have to
     clarify something right away: almost everywhere else in the world
     except for the United States, the word “libertarian” means
     “anarchist” - that is, against the state and capitalism. Describing
     someone as a libertarian communist or socialist distinguishes them
     from an authoritarian communist or socialist – that is, the
     difference between an anti-capitalist who believes in horizontal
     means towards horizontal ends versus one that believes in vanguard
     parties and seizing state power. (More on that in our next episode!)

     Clara: But from the mid-twentieth century onwards, Americans who
     advocated for extreme laissez-faire capitalism started using the
     term libertarian to describe their beliefs… even though
     anti-capitalist anarchists had been using the term in many languages
     since at least the 1850s.

     Alanis: Because many of our listeners in the US understand it in
     this newer sense, when we use the term libertarian in this episode,
     we’ll be talking about the pro-capitalist, neoliberal sorts. But
     let’s not forget that in central and South America, much of Europe,
     and elsewhere, capitalists have not succeeded in appropriating the
     term libertarian for their own devices.

     Clara: That said, let’s see if we can sort out the term, the ideas,
     and the movement as they play out here in the US…

     Alanis: …and what they do or don’t have in common with anarchism.

   From CrimethInc Podcast #18: What Anarchism Isn’t, Pt 1: Libertarianism
   and Anarcho-Capitalism
   [1]https://crimethinc.com/podcast/18/transcript

References

   1. https://crimethinc.com/podcast/18/transcript