Agreed that the POWER series are at (or perhaps above) most people's price point. Its a shame non-SOC ARM PCs aren't common to avoid the easily hidden backdoors afforded by integrated processors. Warrant Canary creator On Oct 8, 2017 7:22 PM, "grarpamp" <[1]grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote: On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Steven Schear <[2]schear.steve@gmail.com> wrote: > Why not switch to much more open CPUs (e.g. POWER8/9) which are already > comparable to much of Intel's higher end server chips. Power8 is an intermediate generation now on phaseout, where Power9 seems more part of a fuller openpower initiative that might stand up to Intel / AMD. The entire early 9 production output was being vacuumed up by military / big data / compute, and retail is taking a while to evolve. It's good stuff however power is still an expensive platform for non enterprise end users to just buy casually, and to pay electric on, but the openness might win. Power9 scaleout SO is rather less than scaleup SU versions. If you want me to switch and get in the game early, perhaps with review coinmining and shell ftw, you know what to do... ;) BTC:1CQYSaF8Cqx5ZSgaKG9LE8UrEJAkWqFpLa [3]https://wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPOWER_Foundation [4]https://wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER9 [5]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12351319 [6]https://www.nextplatform.com/2016/04/06/inside-future-google -rackspace-power9-system/ [7]https://blog.rackspace.com/the-latest-zaius-barreleye-g2-ope n-compute-openpower-server [8]https://www.nextplatform.com/2017/09/19/power9-rollout-begin s-summit-sierra/ [9]https://www.enterprisetech.com/2014/07/15/open-sourced-bios- helps-power8-compete-x86/ [10]http://www.theplatform.net/2015/03/23/inside-the-rackspace- openpower-megaserver/ [11]https://www.servethehome.com/?s=openpower [12]https://www.anandtech.com/SearchResults?q=openpower [13]http://www.storagereview.com/search/node/openpower [14]https://hn.algolia.com/?query=power9&sort=byDate&prefix&page =0&dateRange=all&type=story [15]https://raptorcs.com/TALOSII/ [16]https://raptorcs.com/content/base/faq.html [17]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14956257 [18]http://tyan.com/campaign/OpenPOWER/ [19]https://github.com/open-power [20]https://github.com/openbmc [21]https://wiki.freebsd.org/POWER8 [22]https://www.freebsdnews.com/2015/03/04/freebsd-power8-its-al ive-2/ [23]https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=279189 [24]https://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-2015-01-2015-03.h tml#FreeBSD-on-POWER8 [25]https://reviews.freebsd.org/search/query/oIdoWWKTe71p/ [26]https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4. 8-More-POWER9 [27]https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Power-Ch anges-Linux-4.12 [28]https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Raptor-T alos-2-Teaser [29]https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Talos-2- POWER9-Pre-Order [30]https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Talos-2- FSF-RYF-Possible [31]http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-fr eedom [32]https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/only-a-short-time-left- to-pre-order-the-talos-ii-pre-orders-end-september-15th Minimum to boot and scale cost users roughly $3300 incl 2x cpu, ps, 32gb. 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