__________________________________________________________________ From: jim bell From: Georgi Guninski On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 01:54:06PM -0500, \0xDynamite wrote: >> Speaking of cryptography (harhar), I was contemplating an idea to >> generate random streams of random numbers using chaos theory (not the >> first), specifically the logistic equation [3.5x(1-x)], when I came >> across the argument ([1]http://www.cs.utsa.edu/~wagner/laws/chaos.html) >> that such generators are "psuedo-random", but I don't think is true. >I would suggest to make a toy implementation say in pari/gp or sagemath and then evaluate it. >There are quantitative estimates how "random" a sequence of bytes is. Both as services and standalone applications. >IIRC they look for bias, like the rank of matrices over some field. >Per rough memories the number Pi failed the crypto randomness test. >According to some "there is order in chaos, especially fractals" ;) An interesting treatment of the subject: [2]http://www2.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/pi-random.html Jim Bell This is a data sheet for a random number generator IC: [3]http://www.fdk.com/cyber-e/pdf/HM-RAE001.pdf References 1. http://www.cs.utsa.edu/~wagner/laws/chaos.html 2. http://www2.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/pi-random.html 3. http://www.fdk.com/cyber-e/pdf/HM-RAE001.pdf