On 01/28/2017 10:23 PM, grarpamp wrote: On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Razer [1] wrote: but DO NOTE that Donald Trump wrote an Executive order to cause a Muslim Ban (Muslim ONLY... religion-based) from certain countries, all of whom we're bombing and none of which has been involved in any terrorist incident in the Some like to say Sauds did wtc. Assuming true as the only country supported excercise and everything else is free agent. I see those so-called 'free agents' as people blown up bombed out women raped resources stripped from under their feet ...etc with nothing left to live for. They ARE NOT "Free". It's tantamount to saying a raped virgin is free to fuck whomever she likes now, because she's not a virgin anymore. It's easy to see them as 'free' when you're not the one getting raped. "Free agent" is a loaded phrase and not descriptive of their state of liberty. Period. It's a callous and evasive POV not worth discussing. Rr Then all that's left is to run the stats on logical AND of - All legally admitted entry persons from all places, broken down by country, religion, economic status, social, psych, family, etc. - All the [attempted] murders of three [perhaps two] or more people in one event by all such admittees. Then if you've no other tool but ban, and your goal is to reduce such murders, then what do the stats tell you to ban 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc? What are the actual stats here? Tribranch repubs might bill a restore of federal 2ndA permitless concealed carry as a defense against mass sprees in public so aren't likely to last long. Perhaps as political alternate if ban fails. Note any such current murder count is purely noise floor next to the mountains of what are known by science or spending to be entire classes of preventable deaths. Like say free yearly body scans to find cancer and such early. References 1. mailto:g2s@riseup.net