On 01/18/2017 10:45 PM, grarpamp wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:14 AM, Razer [1] wrote: All that stuff was subject to collapse and other terminal damage by the shock wave of those 255,000 lb planes that weigh more 3-48 foot tractor As people said similarly earlier, if you're asking re wtc7, not sure if 1 and 2 would have been enough to seriously kick at 7 outside the bathtub when 1 and 2 were anchored in 'bedrock', only seismographs would show that, and even then perhaps only vertically, as opposed to laterally. Though yes, absorptive torquing of 1 and 2 would definitely contributed to doing them both in, like the flexing of parallel pixie sticks. Cryptome was prompted to respond on architecture issues but hasn't yet. Caveat architecture isn't necessarily engineering. And try the colorimetry and max heat boiling point vs whatever was pouring out the windows. Unfortunately the materials overlap there. As before, you decide, more investigation needed before any can be said. Were there to be conspiracy, it's the 'explosions' that need more detailing. And do you really think 'flower pots' of thermite could be delivered to 8x'th floors unnoticed, and who were the tenants? Though yes, 'elevator maintenance' could cut the core. And basements are free conjecture. One might also look into the four 'cleanup' contractors background. And to any (unfortunately top secret) BATF / OST or demo types operating in the area. I've no opinion. Any top [secret] level strategic foreknowledge would be more damning than situ tactical ops, though not unrelated. So many fun questions to benefit both sides :) That is the point of answering the science. And if it's not answered, don't give up. Simply, and a statement of why I'm as disgusted by the ongoing nonsense as I am about that other trash topic who killed JFK Focusing on the How and Who instead of Why, IS giving up. Giving in to terrorism. But it's better that way. It diverts a mass of OCD nutjobs who would otherwise be in the way of every attempt at Social Justice for anyone but them(white middle-class)selves. The ranks of 911 truthers is just as white and affluent as the Republican Party. There's a reason for that. Because 'them(white middle-class)selves' ARE the reason (or should I say 'them(white middle-class)selves' way of life is...) for terror attacks on the US. They ENABLE terrorism... No matter who actualizes it. If the CIA was committing, or attempting to set-up terrorist acts in a vacuum where the victims of extractive resources wars and it BLOWBACK didn't exist. Without a mass of angry disaffected Muslims willing to die because they feel they had nothing to live for, War on the Middle East JUST WOULD NOT be a viable plan for the fallout to be used social control in the 'terrorized' country, would it? But I HONESTLY don't expect legitimate answers from people who make their living off the end product of that resource extraction terrorism... People who make their money from the computer industry. Buy a bigger touch screen Dee-Vice. Kill more Congolese. Ever seen what a lithium mining op in China looks like? Do you give a fuck? When the planes fly into 'Merica's buildings it does... and the rationalizations, and the denials, and the SHEEP start bleating saying the have the 'truth'. Because it's impossible for them to admit their culpability. Rr References 1. mailto:g2s@riseup.net