On 12/01/2016 04:37 AM, Steve Kinney wrote: As a veteran and member in good standing of Full Gospel, Catholic, Gnostic and Quaker faith communities, Note the word "Almost" in the quote you pulled :> And AFA "Catholic" goes, my experience growing up Jewish in a neighborhood that was next to a Italian 'hood with large black community a mile or so away, was they're some of the most racist motherfucking pissants on the planet. So is the Portuguese community in the area I live now. Catholism, and it's 'liberation theology' that's continually suppressed by their Vatican overlords is a BIG part of the problem. That 'liberation theology' isn't intended to liberate anyone. It's Catholicism's foothold into 3rd world nations so it can run their cult scam there. Priest and nuns that actually believe in it usually end up massacred, and the church is like 'tsk tsk...' Catholicism is the Zionism of Christianity. A socio-political graft onto Christianity, a philosophy useful for subverting and conquering people. Rr On 11/30/2016 10:56 PM, Razer wrote: > "Many people like to imagine that Islamic terrorism is supported > by almost no one in the Muslim world. That is not the reality of > the situation. Surveys done in Germany, England, France, and Spain, > suggest that about 1 in 4 Muslims think that violence against > civilians in the name of Islam can be justified. " > [1]http://therightstuff.biz/2016/06/13/the-orlando-shooting-and-isla m/ > Of COURSE he doesn't mention the fact that almost every christian > in the industrialized world would allow the wiping out of muslims > in a heartbeat. They do. Right now. It's not a hypothetical. That's not a hypothetical: It's a misperception engineered by propaganda. Multi-million dollar budgets are devoted to lining up as much support as possible for the West's economically motivated conquest of territory that happens to have Musilims walking around on it, and exploiting racism and xenophobia is a tried and true winning strategy. The illusion that Christians hate Muslims is an example of the Bandwagon approach: Lists of classic propaganda techniques always include Bandwagon, and describe it as messaging that proves "everybody's doing it," the it being whatever the promoter was hired to sell. Brining people on board is the primary objective, but Bandwagon's includes a secondary impact when the same messaging that seeks to unite and motivate one audience serves to turn other audiences against them. This greatly enhances the insular group identities of all affected demographics, and in a political context prepares them for mobilization against each other. In our example, the racist Islamophobia attributed to "almost every christian in the industrialized world" is an artifact of Bandwagon propaganda targeting the minority of self identifying Christians who happen to express strong xenophobic and racist traits as native personality features, independent of their religious beliefs. This minority is large enough to be dangerous if united and mobilized - which is why extensive, expensive efforts are underway to capture and mobilize them. As a veteran and member in good standing of Full Gospel, Catholic, Gnostic and Quaker faith communities, I can assure one and all that very few of the racist xenophobes mentioned above are observant Christians, even by the most superficial standards of performance. The Christian mainstream recognizes and opposes the systematic exploitation and abuse of their brand, but contrary to indoctrinated popular belief, does not have the financial and media resources to successfully challenge that agenda in the public arena. I would describe the problem Christians (a.k.a. target demograhic) as people with very legitimate grievances against the real world they live in from day to day. They have been systematically denied educational resources, locked out of living wage employment, and politically disenfranchised. Because of these realities, they are also strongly affected by what Alvin Toffler called "future shock," exceptionally vulnerable to the Good Old Days propaganda technique. The same people who imposed poverty on their communities exploit the resulting vulnerabilities by presenting outsiders as scapegoats, and mobilizing them to demand that their captors be given the power and authority to "put the world to rights," a.k.a. Make America Great Again on their behalf. What can we do about the resulting mess? I'm an advocate for outreach; get the "real Christians" up on their feet and down to the street, not to stand against but with their wounded co-religionists. The sidewalk talk, soap box speeches and formal sermons practically write themselves and win at an easy walk. Where and as the necessary effort is made, all the uncommitted are belong to us. What can non-Christians and the anti-religious do? Before enlightenment chop wood, carry water, smash the State. After enlightenment chop wood, carry water, smash the State. But make sure you know what's up and where it's at before you throw down and get it on . :o) References 1. http://therightstuff.biz/2016/06/13/the-orlando-shooting-and-islam/