On 11/25/2016 10:45 PM, John Newman wrote:

   Drugs prohibition is fucking heinous.

   I don't think it matters what the substance is.  Locking an addict up
   does not cure them =)

   It's all a bad fucking joke - a "war" to perpetuate a vested interest
   in keeping prison populations high (and profitable), to systematically
   fuck a certain cross section of society (blacks, the poor), and to keep
   people on all sides of the issue scared.

   John

   The option taken... If you EVER get out on the streets where the drugs
   are sold and used, is to decriminalize, not medical-ize, and THEN  give
   them gubmint checks in the hopes the drug user kills themself off in
   some motel room saving taxpayers money.
   That IS the libertarian solution to the problem. Another reason why
   refer to Libertarians are self-centric fascist scum in every convo I
   have about them
   Rr

   On Nov 26, 2016, at 12:40 AM, Razer <[1]rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:

   On 11/25/2016 09:31 PM, juan wrote that variation in dosage of natural
   substance:

makes dosage unreliable.

   It might be part of the reason you're not ending up with bad heart
   valves too, schmuck.
   Or maybe it's the manitol so commonly used to cut it and 'make dosage
   unreliable' to boot is what destroys one's heart valves. Or maybe baby
   laxative isn't so popular anymore and coke stupes walk around
   constipated like a junkie... Like they have dick up their ass.
   Rr
   Ps. "TOO MUCH of the stuff"
   Did I mention the derivatives are MUCH easier to get addicted to? When
   you're an addict "TOO MUCH
   of the stuff" doesn't exist in your reality.
   You're 'talking yourself into a hole'.

On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:07:39 -0800
Razer [2]<rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:


On 11/25/2016 08:39 PM, juan wrote:

        quick note on evil chemical compounds

        methamphetamine is a semi synthetic derivative of ephedrine,
        ephedra having a long history in chinese culture

        morphine is a fully natural green product manufactured by
        mother nature - semi synthetic heroin is a minor variation
of morphine

        lsd25 is a semi synthetic derivative of lysergic acid, in
turn derived from natural occuring ergot alkaloids

        many of shulgin's psychodelic amphetamines are variations
on the mescaline theme.

        Cocaine, DMT, psylocibin - all manufactured in vivo by
Nature Inc.

        See a pattern here? All the stuff comes from green
        eco-friendly plants or small tweaks of 'natural' molecules.

        Strychnine comes straight off the plant. And cannabis is a
'sacrament' - lol!





You forgot cocaine.


        Did I?

        "Cocaine, DMT, psylocibin - all manufactured in vivo by Nature
        Inc."



So let's use it as an example. Peruvians chew the
Coca leaves and it allows them to function well at high altitudes
because it assists the transfer of oxygen from the blood to the brain
and body tissue, like the Amino creatine also does, and it seems to
have no bad effects on the consumers

NOW, purify it from the Coca leaves

        Yep,  that seems to be another important thing you do not know.
        The amount of active compounds in plants varies a lot and that
        makes dosage unreliable. So it makes sense to  extract and
        instead use the pure compounds.



and consume it regularly at sea
level from, lets say your early/mid 20s when you get your first
computer industry job. You'll be seeing a cardiologist about bad
heart valves by the time you're 50 or 60. Guaranteed.

        Yep. And the problem is, obviously, taking TOO MUCH of the
        stuff, not that it was extracted.

        "Alle Dinge sind Gift und nichts ist ohne Gift, allein die
        Dosis macht es, dass ein Ding kein Gift ist."





But that may be
due to all the mood meds you're taking b/c occasional incidents of
psychosis.

Listen stupid (that's you Juan) I've been around drug culture all my
life.



        Still you don't seem to know the abc of pharmacology...Which is
        nothing but common sense of course.




The difference between the relatively benign effect of organic
substances
on the human organism and the destructive effect of it's
'purified' ingredient is profound and easily noticeable to anyone,

        They are the SAME substance. There's no 'organic' or
        'inorganic' cocaine. The alkaloid inside the plant is no
        different from the isolated 'pure' form.

         But hey, go eat some green organic 'unpurified' plant material
         containing a nice dose of strychnine and come back. Will you?
         =P



across the board, except perhaps the cooker and dealer who don't
notice because they generally don't consume the crap they sell or
live where it's considered a curse on the community it's destroying.

Rr

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