On 11/25/2016 08:39 PM, juan wrote: quick note on evil chemical compounds methamphetamine is a semi synthetic derivative of ephedrine, ephedra having a long history in chinese culture morphine is a fully natural green product manufactured by mother nature - semi synthetic heroin is a minor variation of morphine lsd25 is a semi synthetic derivative of lysergic acid, in turn derived from natural occuring ergot alkaloids many of shulgin's psychodelic amphetamines are variations on the mescaline theme. Cocaine, DMT, psylocibin - all manufactured in vivo by Nature Inc. See a pattern here? All the stuff comes from green eco-friendly plants or small tweaks of 'natural' molecules. Strychnine comes straight off the plant. And cannabis is a 'sacrament' - lol! You forgot cocaine. So let's use it as an example. Peruvians chew the Coca leaves and it allows them to function well at high altitudes because it assists the transfer of oxygen from the blood to the brain and body tissue, like the Amino creatine also does, and it seems to have no bad effects on the consumers NOW, purify it from the Coca leaves and consume it regularly at sea level from, lets say your early/mid 20s when you get your first computer industry job. You'll be seeing a cardiologist about bad heart valves by the time you're 50 or 60. Guaranteed. But that may be due to all the mood meds you're taking b/c occasional incidents of psychosis. Listen stupid (that's you Juan) I've been around drug culture all my life. The difference between the relatively benign effect of organic substances on the human organism and the destructive effect of it's 'purified' ingredient is profound and easily noticeable to anyone, across the board, except perhaps the cooker and dealer who don't notice because they generally don't consume the crap they sell or live where it's considered a curse on the community it's destroying. Rr