I'm not going to be drawn into Juan's nonsense.
            Jim Bell
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   From: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com>
   To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org
   Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 10:58 AM
   Subject: Re: Why Cypherpunks Shouldn't Vote for the system of their own
   oppression
   On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 17:48:57 +0000 (UTC)
   jim bell <[1]jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
   >
   >
   >  From: Razer <[2]rayzer@riseup.net>
   > The issue I'm having reading this thread about the US Erections is
   > this list is ostensibly Anarchist and I don't understand why it's
   > infested almost exclusively by Libertarians. Libertarians CANNOT be
   > Anarchist ... because they believe in government. Small, but they
   > BELIEVE that the US political system actually works in the interest
   > of the people, or it can be made so.
   >
   > Not exactly, There are "anarchist libertarians" and "minarchist
   > libertarians".
       No. So called 'minarchist' 'libertarians' are just statists,
       not libertarians. They believe in murdering anyone who doesn't
       obey the Holy State.
   >I was one of the latter, before 1995 when I
   > discovered/invented my AP system.
       So you were a plain old statist who didn't study libertarian
       philosophy well enough.
   > Afterwards, I realized not only
   > that having no government was possible, it was essentially
   > inevitable.
       That is not true. Your AP system isn't going to magically get
       rid of government. There's absolutely no reason why it must
       'inevitable' lead to anarchy.
       To sum up : actual and consistent libertarians existed way
       before 'assasination politics'. Consistent libertarianism has
       nothing to do with utilitarian and or 'practical'
       considerations.
   > Note:  It is, strictly speaking, incorrect to say:
   >  "Libertarians CANNOT be Anarchist ...because they believe in
   > government."Libertarians believe in a certain set of limits to
   > people's relationships and interactions with other people.  A
   > Libertarian may believe that a small government is tolerable, and
   > maybe still necessary; other libertarians may believe that a stable
   > anarchy is possible.  (As I now do.) Jim Bell

References

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   2. mailto:rayzer@riseup.net