forwarding part of my private conversation to the whole list:
   The new list is not the preferable solution, you know. It's the only
   thing we see right now, but... We should realize, that this splitting
   up will KILL the original list. It will kill the whole concept and the
   core idea of the Cypher-Punk list/movement.
   The Snowden revelations and all the shit going on in the world in the
   last 10 years has brought us (people with brain & spirit) to a clear
   and unambiguous understanding that "THE CYPHERPUNK LIST-CONCEPT MUST
   EVOLVE, -> THUS MUST BE CHANGED, BECOMING MUCH BROADER". And the focus,
   as John Young wrote, cannot be on Apolitical (relatively)
   crypto-math-numbers only as it was before...
   Times have irreversibly changed -> thus the issues for discussion must
   be much much BROADER.
   .