On Tue, Jul 19, 2016, 17:29 Ted Smith <[1]tedks@riseup.net> wrote:

   Feel free to tell me how any of that relates, even remotely, to what I
   said.

   I think his point is that he would welcome such discussion about other
   countries.

   Russia has been the West's "whipping boy" since the USSR collapsed.
   Instead of dismantling the cold war apparatus as it should have, the US
   and NATO just kept right on going. In my opinion the cold warriors and
   their children have been trying desperately to ignite a new cold war,
   and it seems to me they've succeeded.

   One thing I don't quite understand is, why cypherpunks? I don't think
   you will find many pro-US-government folks here aside from the fed
   moles. Recruiting maybe? The latest Russian surveillance law will
   probably put a damper on that.

   On July 19, 2016 5:07:17 PM PDT, Zenaan Harkness <[2]zen@freedbms.net>
   wrote:

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 04:22:05PM -0700, Ted Smith wrote:
...
Feel free to demonstrate how the USA champions democratic principles,
respect for sovereignty (national and individual - corporation
sovereignty is the problem, not the solution) and the rule of law, as it
(the USA BIMSIC - banking, industrial, military, suveillance, injustice
complex) drones humans to death, every day, in at least 12 countries.
Feel free to initiate a thread on how we might engender, induce or
otherwise educate our fellow humans to find authority within themselves,
to stand for a principle greater than meat pies and footy, and to act in
pursuance of such a principle. Many of us a flat out of ideas - really.
And also, feel free to point out how "my" "democratically elected"
"leaders" here in Australia are really doing a fine and upstanding job
at the helm of this great land, how we should all,
individually and
collectively be striving to emulate them and how this will lead us into
a better place, a better world, a better future.
Please, and seriously, any such bit of positive news would be good for
my ears as much as for yours, 'cause mostly all I see going on all
around the world today is ludicrous unethical evil actions, idiots
strutting around as "leaders" spouting abominations against all human
decency, common sense and righteousness!
Please, do enlighten me - I'll wait...

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References

   1. mailto:tedks@riseup.net
   2. mailto:zen@freedbms.net