2016-07-09 7:46 GMT+03:00 jim bell <[1]jdb10987@yahoo.com>:

   [2]https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/08/messenger-adds-end-to-end-encrypti
   on/
   Quote:
   "Facebook Messenger wants to be your primary messaging app. As people
   become more and more concerned about security, being the best messaging
   app means being the most secure. That’s why Facebook is finally adding
   an option for users to encrypt their chats in Messenger.
   Messenger will begin to offer an end-to-end encryption feature to a
   limited test group of users today. It’s a security option that’s been a
   long time coming for Facebook, which has considered making end-to-end
   encryption available for several months. The so-called “secret
   conversations” debuted today will be only visible to the sender and the
   reader, which means Facebook can’t enable some of the chatbot and
   payment features that are normally a part of the Messenger experience.
   However, end-to-end encryption boxes out law enforcement and even
   Facebook itself from reading users’ chats, ensuring that their
   conversations remain private.
   Messenger has also taken steps to make sure that chats remain secure,
   even if a user’s device gets lost or stolen. In secret conversations,
   Messenger will allow users to set an expiration date for a message so
   that it won’t be visible in the conversation forever. Once the time
   runs out, the message will vanish from the devices of all users in the
   conversation. Facebook released technical details about its
   implementation of secret conversations in a white paper ([3]PDF).
   Secret conversation mode will only be available on iOS and Android, not
   in Messenger.com, Facebook chat, or the desktop Messenger app — at
   least for now. Facebook’s vice president of messaging products David
   Marcus told TechCrunch that the addition of end-to-end encryption is
   intended to help Messenger become everyone’s go-to app."
   [end of portion quoted]
                        Jim Bell

   Jim, everyone,
   is it just me, or.... but when i see/hear the word "facebook" i get
   vomiting reflex and can't force myself reading further?
   I'm not talking about using/not using it (facebook/their new secUUUre
   app), but talking about trust. A total lack of trust toward them. No
   matter what they write, say or "invent".
   Reminds me a saying on Russian towards a well known enemy which states,
   "you can kill me, but i won't believe you".
   ___
   * the same refers to google too, of course. I use it, for example,
   'cause i *have to* from various of reasons, but do i trust them? NO
   WAY. Do i use it for sensitive stuff? NO WAY. And their "new
   encryption" or "goody goody statements"  won't buy my trust after all
   the revelations! And i don't need "new" revelations to keep that in my
   mind.
   But.... am i the only one? Do we need a Snowden explosion every 3-5
   years to keep in mind that we are being fucked up all the time by the
   googles-facebooks and alike? -> thus NOT to trust them, no matter how
   they "sing"?
   I hope that we don't.
   .

References

   1. mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com
   2. https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/08/messenger-adds-end-to-end-encryption/
   3. https://fbnewsroomus.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/secret_conversations_whitepaper.pdf