+e On 7/8/16 9:55 AM, John Newman wrote: Hey Pravda started forwarding straight to the list ... ;) -- John On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Александр <[1]afalex169@gmail.com> wrote: Sending it from Zenaan. His ISP plays with him... ---------- Пересылаемое сообщение ---------- From: Mail Delivery System To: [2]zen@freedbms.net Cc: Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 22:47:51 +1000 (AEST) Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender This is the mail system at host x220a02. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system <[3]cypherpunks@cpunks.org>: host [4]mail.bigpond.com[61.9.189.249] said: 552 5.2.0 GCpv1t0052DXzPg01CpwnU Suspected spam message rejected. 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OB702 ---------- Пересылаемое сообщение ---------- From: Zenaan Harkness <[7]zen@freedbms.net> To: cypherpunks <[8]cypherpunks@cpunks.org> Cc: Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 22:47:48 +1000 Subject: walking in another's shoes Assertions of fact which I presume are not in dispute except perhaps by schooled (and not educated) North Americans: - North America/ the USA, has NO righteous authority to be the "policeman of the world"! - The only authority the the USA has to be "the policeman of the world" is the predatorial right, the predatorial authority. - The United States of America government is ethically bankrupt. - The government of the USA has been co-opted by the North American (and western world oligarch controlled) Military Industrial Complex. - The hegemonic intention of the government of the USA and the "neo conservatives" or war mongers of "the West", is a predatorial manifestion of the desire for empire, the desire to control the world. The hegemonic USA must end. That said, here is what might be termed a human perspective of what an average Russian living in Russia or perhaps the Donbas today, might actually be experiencing, feeling and thinking, and why (historical memories etc) - a somewhat moving piece for those so inclined: --- "Why People Never Believe That War Is Coming – Until It Is Too Late" In Russian: [9]http://www.apn-spb.ru/opinions/article23999.htm In English: [10]http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/why-people-never-believe-war- coming-their-peril/ri15473 --- A thought: The "terrorists" in Syria, aka IS or ISIS or ISIL, go into town, villages and cities, forcing "conversion" or death upon those families who live there. The so called "terrorists" of eastern Ukraine in the Donbas/ Novorossia, are families fighting for their lives against the Ukraine state army who are coming to "subdue" them, to "encourage" them to accept the new Ukrainian coup government with its laws saying the Russian language is no longer official, and no longer allowed to be taught in their local schools, and many more abominations to "European values"! Oh, but it's all just "Russian aggression". FFS, wake up European nations! wake up North Americans! Absolutely the Ukrainian army must stop shooting and bombing its own people! Absolutely the eastern Ukrainian people have a right to defend themselves against "their own" army shooting at them, their own "president" Poroshenko "Donbas Children Will Sit in Cellars, “Ours” Will Go to School": Amazing Poroshenko Video: Keep Donbas Children "Holed Up" in ... [11]http://russia-insider.com/en/node/1122 [12]http://sputniknews.com/europe/20141114/1014748940.html [13]https://dninews.com/article/doctor-liza-will-evacuate-13-children-m oscow-donbass (well at least Poroshenko said it in a civilized setting - the Odessa Opera House.) Poroshenko: “we [in Ukraine] will have work they – [in the Donbas] won’t. We will have pensions – they won’t. We will care for our children and pensioners – they won’t. Our children will go to school, to kindergartens – their children will sit in cellars. They don’t know how to organize or do anything. This, ultimately, is how we will win this war.” [14]https://southfront.org/its-like-a-textbook-for-torture-why-the-donb ass-will-never-forgive-the-ukrainians/ (this article is too intense, I can't finish reading it) [15]https://www.rt.com/news/163288-seven-children-wounded-unicef/ A boy holds a placard reading "Save Donbas children. Please stop ATO!" (anti-terrorists operation) in the southern Ukrainian city of Odessa on June 1, 2014 (AFP Photo) / AFP (This one's a bit easier to read.) [16]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_situation_during_the_war _in_Donbass [17]http://www.phillip-butler.com/when-will-we-the-people-stop-the-kill ing-in-donbass/ "Someone explain to me so I can understand. How is it that Russia is somehow negligent in influencing pro-Russian separatists in east Ukraine, when the Kiev junta’s forces are the ones shelling civilians daily? Does Germany’s Angela Merkel see something the world cannot? God only knows." All hail Ukraine! Home of the direct second and third generation Nazis! We, the collective "West" are an absolute disgrace on this planet!!!!! So YES if I were the USA president I would do better! The only real challenge is doing better as USA president, and stopping yourself from being killed for cleaning up the endless shit that is North American foreign policy! "The West", an absolute disgrace to humanity.. -- Stephen D. Williams [18]sdw@lig.net [19]stephendwilliams@gmail.com LinkedIn: [20 ]http://sdw.st/in V:650-450-UNIX (8649) V:866.SDW.UNIX V:703.371.9362 F:703.995.0407 [21]AIM:sdw [22]Skype:StephenDWilliams [23]Yahoo:sdwlignet Resume: [24]http://sd w.st/gres Personal: [25]http://sdw.st facebook.com/sdwlig twitter.com/scienteer References 1. mailto:afalex169@gmail.com 2. mailto:zen@freedbms.net 3. mailto:cypherpunks@cpunks.org 4. http://mail.bigpond.com/ 5. mailto:cypherpunks@cpunks.org 6. http://mail.bigpond.com/ 7. mailto:zen@freedbms.net 8. mailto:cypherpunks@cpunks.org 9. http://www.apn-spb.ru/opinions/article23999.htm 10. http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/why-people-never-believe-war-coming-their-peril/ri15473 11. http://russia-insider.com/en/node/1122 12. http://sputniknews.com/europe/20141114/1014748940.html 13. https://dninews.com/article/doctor-liza-will-evacuate-13-children-moscow-donbass 14. https://southfront.org/its-like-a-textbook-for-torture-why-the-donbass-will-never-forgive-the-ukrainians/ 15. https://www.rt.com/news/163288-seven-children-wounded-unicef/ 16. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_situation_during_the_war_in_Donbass 17. http://www.phillip-butler.com/when-will-we-the-people-stop-the-killing-in-donbass/ 18. mailto:sdw@lig.net 19. mailto:stephendwilliams@gmail.com 20. http://sdw.st/in 21. 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